4th February 2015
Information sent in by Roz Gladden
Hi Bryan, by chance while trying to find photographs of the above two pubs I came upon your blog and some info on both of them. I should explain.
My grandmother is the late Nancy Hoyle, who was the youngest daughter (born 1901) of William Hoyle (b 1855), who was the son of (bear with me) James Hoyle (b 1826). James and his wife Jane was the licensed victualler of the White Horse in Goodshaw for a number of years but sadly died at the relatively young age of 49 while still the licensee (1876)
It would appear that James's widows, Jane subsequently married a Samuel Smith and then they both went on to manage the New Inn. Prior to his marriage to Jane, Samuel had been a Calico printer and even on the first census after they married, although they were living at the New Inn, Samuel was still down as a Calico printer. I can only imagine that in those days women were unable to hold a licence in their own name.
I was fascinated by the fact that the New Inn used to be utilsed for court hearings.
I would be grateful for any info or photographs you may have. My late Mum lost touch with that side of her family many years ago so I don't have any contact with any Hoyle's that are living in Rawtenstall, Haslingden or Edenfield now.
Incidentally, it's a great blog!
Best wishes, Roz Gladden.
Research: Mawdsley (Wigan, Darmody (Wigan and Ireland), Hoyle (Crawshawbooth), Whittam (Crawshawbooth and Gisburn (Yorks), Frankland (Yorks)
Since displaying this email it has come to my notice that the "New Inn" to which Roz has mentioned above is NOT our Haslingden New Inn, and is actually the New Inn over at Goodshaw (1881) and so I have advised Roz to try and seek help on this elsewhere.
On 5th February 2016 Florence Walsh added:
14th September 2015 Information kindly sent in by David Middlehurst (Chorley) who is currently compiling a book on old Lancashire Bands. Here are one or two snippets on Haslingden and Rossendale Bands:
ALSO DAVID HAS ADDED ON 15TH SEPTEMBER 2015:
13th September 2015 Information on "Choppy Warburton" from Ann Regan
Dear sir, I have some information on the Warburton family, The father of Choppy was James Warburton , who married Harriet Birtwistle, They married at the parocheal church, Haslingden , on September 14th 1845, They had six sons, the eldest being James Edward (Coppy) born 1845, then George, next Elijah( my fathers grand father) next Robert, then Doctor, then Richard, I hope this is some help, Ann Regan
28th August 2015 Information request from Ray Warburton
RESPONSE: SUSAN WHITTAKER: I remember Cecil and Olive Warburton who lived down Grane Road in a lovely semi. Olive in particular was a pro active member of St James's Church. Sunday school teacher and the chorographer of the morris dancing troup. Every year she was the producer of the annual pantomine. They had two sons, Gary and unfortunately I can't remember the elder sons name. Don't know if this is the same family you are trying to trace.
RESPONSE: RAY WARBURTON: I have Cecil and Olive in my trees. They are part of a family that originated in Edenfield in the 16th century and their branch came to Haslingden quite late (early 19th century). They included a number of managers and (I believe) owners of mills, including Flash mill. Cecil’s father George Victor was born at Vine House.
Extract from Ramsbottom War News - Issue6- 1944
'I started at Haslingden Grammar School in September. There had been a frantic scrabble around for school uniform.
Compulsory, even though the war was on and clothes were rationed. I suspect a few in our family including grandparents
gave up valuable coupons to this cause. Starting secondary school clashed with harvesting the oats we had grown on the back meadow
and far pastures some 9 acres in all.' - Bryan Walsh Golinrod Farm.
Bryan, As I mentioned in my contribution, although uniform was compulsory, it was difficult to obtain and expensive. In the School s I have made
Photograph (1947), all girls were in uniform but not the boys. I think Clifford would agree with the this point.
11th May 2015 Email request from Chris Faulkner
Dear Bryan, l have just stumbled across your web site regarding the property known as Hazelwood, 41, Bury Road. My name is Chris Faulkner, I bought the property in 2002 when it had been vacated by Hazelwood Nursing Home run by Dr Magoob and his wife Mrs Magoob. The property had not been very well secured and vandals,vagrants and drug users had been actively destroying the property from inside out, during the two years it was empty prior to my purchase. However, since I took over the property I have been refurbishing the interior as offices and meeting rooms. I moved my company Millwide Engineering Services Limited into the property in 2002 until 2010. The property is currently used by St Vincent's Home Care and Repair to administer their business in Rossendale.
I would be interested in any pictures of the interior of the house. As I mentioned I have been slowly refurbishing the interior trying as best as possible to be sympathetic to the style of the property. It would be good to see if my vision is in line with the past.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Regards, Chris Faulkner
(12th May 2015 reply) I have a bit of info about Hazelwood which I hope would be of use.
My mother was a resident of Hazelwood, where she eventually died (she died the weekend Mrs Magoob was attacked by one of the staff - August 1999). At first she occupied what I think must have been the principal bedroom. If I remember correctly, it was on the right hand corner if you looked at the building from the outside. It had wood panelling and there was a sort of panelled lobby across the entrance doorway. Presumably this would have been from the time of Dr Armistead and family or even earlier. Not much but I hope it may be of some use.
Florence Walsh (nee Clough)
18th March 2015 Email request from Anne Nicholl
Hello to you, my name is Anne Nicoll and I come from Accrington. My mother is 91 and she often tells us stories about the Astoria dance hall. Its where she met my Dad and they have many fond memories of the place.
She says that it was officially opened by Sir Ronald Cross and that she presented a bouquet of flowers to Lady Maureen Stanley on the day. She has never forgotten the ladies shiny shoes! I wonder if you know if any photos of the event exist and where I might find them.
13th March 2015 a email request from Vaughan Riley
8th March 2015 a notification from David Blanchard
Can anyone help David? When he was doing excavation work putting in a new drive, he found this fabulous bottle with the inscription William H Baxter, Haslingden Mineral Water Works and was made by Cannington Shaw and Co in St. Helens. There is a picture of a bird on it over a shield like design. We also found numerous other bottles and clay pipes, when we made a few enquiries we were told we are on the site of the navy camp for the railway, at the bottom of Roundhill Lane. CAN ANYONE PLEASE HELP WITH ANY FURTHER INFORMATION WHICH WILL BE APPRECIATED. THANKS DAVID BLANCHARD.
7th March 2015 a snippett sent in by Douglas Newton
HASLINGDEN CHURCH BELLS ( A letter to the Editor of the Bury Times Nov 8th 1859)
Sir, - I was surprised that our church bells did not ring on Saturday last, being the 5th of November, as I have never known them to miss on that day before. But what do you think our head churchwarden says? - that the ringers turned out of themselves. Now, I deny that; for last Easter-Tuesday but one he promised the ringers £8 for the year; but instead of that he paid them with £6. So they turned out on that account, and the bells have never been run since last May. If the incumbrance (I beg your pardon - the incumbent) has any influence in the matter, I wish he would use it. But I had forgot to say that our head churchwarden has him just under his thumb, so that will be of no use.
We have a splendid clock in the tower, which cost the inhabitants of Haslingden £275, and, like the bells has gone to rack and ruin for want of care. It is time the inhabitants of Haslingden besitirred themselves and appointed fit and proper persons to fill the office of church-wardens.
There has been an offer for £20 to be paid for two years ring, but our head churchwarden says they must not be rung this year. They must be his property; but I can say that when the bells came to Haslingden the head churchwarden promised £10 but he never paid it in, -- Hoping I am not trespassing too much on your valuable columns, yours,
JAMES CHOPPY, One of the Ringers and Big Drummer to the Haslingden Band,
Rock Hall, near Top o'th'Slate, Haslingden, Nov. 8th 1859.
3rd March 2015 A email from Fingland Dent (Reading Berks)
28th February 2015 a family request
|Norman Knight jnr|
We are desparately seeking photographs of my late brother Norman Knight jnr who used to live at Back Carr Mill Street, Haslingden. I do know that Norman appeared with the Rossendale Amateurs in South Pacific which was shown down at the Astoria. Also there may be photos about showing our Norman carrying the baton for the Haslingden and Helmshore Band. It would be really great if we can find any photos. Please contact firstname.lastname@example.org if you can find any. Thank you Judith.
22nd February 2015 Email from John McGuire in Australia
Hello. I was wondering about the school photo that bill king sent in (SEE BELOW). There is a stuart jackson 3rd in second row from back. I think this could be my uncle. Stuart's sister was called brenda?. He also had a brother stephen. I hope i've got the right person. Could you help in anyway?. Maybe pass a message on or know where he might be now. Anything at all. Big thank you. X
|Click over photo to enlarge|
Outcome: Sammy was put in touch with Brenda.
6th February 2015 Email from Arthur Keown
It has given me much pleasure to see so many photographs of pupils of H.G.S over many years.
Clifford Hargreaves has made some excellent photographs of the outside and inside the old building. During my time as a pupil I always considered both the inside and the outside of the building to be attractive. Why was it demolished? Could you also tell me when H.G.S. became comprehensive. I understand that the new building is on the site of the old playing field.
(BJY: added 11th February 2014) New information has come to light which susbstantiates the amalgamation year to be 1975 (and not 1973). For further details click here.
Also a kind contributor has added: The building on Bury Road after the HGS became part of the Accrington and Rossendale College and housed the Construction Department and also had lots of night school courses including Typing. When the Day and Night School closed its doors it was all relocated to Accrington.
(Marie Ives sent email in reply 6th Feb 2015) H G S amalgamated with H S M school in 1973 when my three children Bobby, Catherine and Susan) were transferred to Hassy High on the site of the old HGS playing fields.
I would be grateful if you could put another request on the blog as this has been very helpful in the past and might be again.
I am seeking anyone having any knowledge of the wider family of Ann Gregson, born late 1790's/ early 1800's who married Thomas Clarkson and were believed to have lived within Accrington area.
I am still looking for living descendants of the siblings of Cornelius Hughes born 1845 in Ireland and/or his wife Alice Walker, hopefully some will still be in the vicinity of Haslingden or Accrington. (My Greatgrandmother was one of their children, Ann Hughes, born 1863 Accrington).
I am also trying to find more information on John Clarkson (approx 1820 -1877) and am trying to trace any sibling descendants plus the parents of his wife Ann Brannon (1826 - 1880).
Thanks again for your help, Bryan
27th January 2015 Email from Michael Mullaney
It may be worth mentioning that Mary Hindle was one of the rioters in 1826 who was transported to Australia all of which is noted in William Turners book "Riot".
Which is about the East Lancashire loom breakers in 1826 which should be available from most libraries.
I think Hindle Street was named after a "Hindle" who either built the houses or was a member of the group that did.
They were originally known as "Club Houses" as club members got together to fund their building.
Likewise the street names give nothing away... Hindle Street, Back Hindle St, Pleasant Street, Back Pleasant Street, Far Back Pleasant Street. Imagination is a wonderful thing!
There are three good pictures in the picture gallery of Hindle St.
25th January 2015 Email from Vicky Anderson
I was just doing a very random search for my grandfather Ross Hindle and found out that he grew up and was married (I think) in Haslingden. I google searched it and landed on your page only to find on your main page there is a street called Hindle Street! I do know that Hindle is quite a common name where you are but my grandfather did end up down here in Sussex where it is uncommon.
I hope you don't mind me emailing but I was so shocked and pleased to see the Hindle connection. Something to tell my children that there is a street with my maiden name in!
I will now have to research more!
Vicky Anderson (nee Hindle)
Reply: BJY 25th Jan.
Hi Vicky, You are correct the Hindle name is well known in these parts. When I was growing up I lived in Hud Hey Road next door to the "Hindle's" which were the direct descendants of Jonas Hindle the Cotton Waste Manufacturer who had Lamberts Mill down in Carrs. In fact I remember even as a lad a Miss. Hindle and also a daughter of the same name who were the main shareholders in the Carrs factory. I think many years ago that the Hud Hey and Carter Place Hall area was perhaps the stronghold for the old "Hindles" family as well as the "Dearden's" who also lived on the other side of Hud Hey but that's another story!
Also I remember growing up and friendly with another Hindle family who came from down the Station area.
Sadly to report that Hindle Street was demolished to make way for the new central flats which now occupy the ground on what was Hindle Street. If you look through the photo albums on the blog and also the Haslingden St. James Church Lads Brigade blog you will find photos of Hindle Street showing the old stone setts etc.
Hope you find out more about your grandad and the Hindle name in Haslingden.
All the best,
10th January 2015 from Bryan Yorke
|Here is a map showing the area Oakenwood and shows the course of the road where Michael mentions in his earlier email. (Please click over to enlarge)|
9th January 2015 Email from Michael Mullaney
Oakenhead Wood Old Road I would hazard a guess that it originated as part of the old and ancient trackway which were developed about the 17th century along which travellers and merchants with their pack horses would travel.
It was much easier to skirt along the terraces of the hillsides and only descend when you came to the place you wished to visit. As wheeled traffic emerged and then got larger with heavier loads the trackways moved down the hillsides onto wider and firmer
routes as indeed did the development of the town. Oakenhead Wood Old Road is a part of the system which circled around Cribden. If we accept that all old and ancient routes started and finished at the parish church, its easy to visualise how they went to and from Blackburn, Bury, Newchurch, Burnley etc. In this case, up Higher Lane, turn right along Slate on Cribden End Lane, at the cross roads now where the Halo is you had options, left onto Laund Lane towards Duckworth Clough and onto Huncoat, or straight on Cribden End Lane, which skirted Cribden and came down on Burnley Road Rawtenstall, or turn right again on Laund Road, fork left at Spout House, and the road now has a connection with Haslingden Old Road at Height End where it changes its name to Oakenhead Wood Old Road.
This continues originally onto Rawtenstall, past Jolly Hall and the Ski Slope and the cottages at Oakenhead emerging at what is now Holland Avenue, and would eventually have terminated at the church in Oakenwood, (St. Mary's Rawtenstall).
Alternatively, you would have been able to branch off and continue to Newchurch. Its possible that these trackways were the predecessor of the Kings Highway.
Properties sprang up along these trackways at random intervals and its assumed they were mainly involved with sheep and wool, as to just why the small hamlet of Oakenhead Wood came to be I know not, they may have originally been in the wool trade but its not so far to walk down the hillside to the new mills at Swany in Rawtenstall. In passing, people walked from Accrington to Crawshabooth to attend Goodshaw Chapel. To us this seems a long way to travel however, by going across the hills by these pathways its a relatively short hike, albeit a bit up and down!
6th January 2015 Email from Marie Ives
Cottages most likely called Spring Vale Cottages. I remember them as Canary Islands when I was young in Haslingden in the 1950's Marie Ives.
6th January 2015 Email from Kathleen Haworth
Can anyone remember the cottages which used to be near Springvale Mill Waterside? They had a name of an island as they were built on a strip of land by the waterside.I thought they called the site Canary Island but no one seems to know . Can anyone help? Kathleen Haworth
4th January 2015 Email from Michelle Bingham
Hello...I'm hoping you can help me I'm trying to find a doctor who trained at rossendale hospital in the 1969/70 ... He was from Mauritius. ..All I know is he was called Michael pande. .. not sure if this is the correct spelling...do you have any old photos of staff at the hospital? ...hope it is ok me emailing you. .. Thanks Michelle Bingham
3rd January 2015 Email from Chris Goldthorp
I am trying to find some information on Oakenhead Wood Old Road, Haslingden. It's the unadopted road above the ski slope that runs a parallel to a Haslingden Old Road.
All I seem to get on searching is house selling info and a little on townships. I wondered if you might have any idea where I can look.
3rd January 2015 Email from Peter Booth
I have just come across your excellent site and was particularly interested in the school photographs of 1957 and 1959 in which I am pictured. I found it particularly interesting to identify the members of the school 1st 11 football team from 1959 to 61 as it was the same team for two years. It was Ian Jefferson, Peter Dawson, Alan Moss, Peter Booth(self), Peter Cronshaw, Ross Holden, Roger Hargreaves, Dave Walsh, Barry Chester, Eddie Yarker, Neil Tann. This team was particularly successful during the 1960/61 season when we won 15 of our 20 matches.
I have lived in the West of Scotland for the last 47 years so haven't kept in touch with my old school friends but it would be great to hear from anyone that remembers me and those happy days. My brother Michael who also attended HGS still lives in the Valley at Waterfoot and he is also in the 1957 photo. There are also lots of other friends that I recognise in the photos particularly David Barlow, Michael Yates, David Hayhurst, Roger Benson, Keith Standing, Frank Ashworth, Bill Briggs, Bill Wise and many others.
I also recall your regular correspondent from Australia John McGuire arriving at HGS and it is good to see his memories.
Thanks for all your great work.
Kindest regards to all
29th December 2014 Email from Michael Mullaney
Just catching up with the query Re: Goodshaw Chapel.
My response was in order with the original query Goodshaw Chapel the records I referrer to are Anglican and not Baptist.
The two chapels are almost opposite each other and I wrongly assumed Peter was referring to the Anglican chapel it isn't until he later clarified Baptist that I identified the mistake.
Not sure where the records for Goodshaw Baptist are held however the last time I was in that area the chapel looked in excellent condition and I seem to recall that it could be accessed by appointment.
Apologies to Peter for the confusion.
28th December 2014 Email from Mrs. E. Clegg of Rathmell
(Ammended on 1st Jan 2015 from White Horse to Bay Horse which I am now advised)
26th December 2014 Email from Peter Barnes
Thanks for the help from yourself and Michael. My mistake was in trying
to look up ,Old Goodshaw Baptists. The records do of course come under
New Goodshawe Baptists. There does seem to be a great weslyan influence
in the Haslingden area, probably from John Wesley visiting the area.
Thanks for you and Michaels help .
23rd December 2014 Email from John Oakley
23rd December 2014 Email from Shamsheer Qureshi
Hello again Bryan,
I have emailed a few weeks ago and your site was really useful in putting me in touch with a lady who could help me find out a bit about my 2nd Great grandfather, John Clarkson, who was born Preston 1821 and died in Haslingden in 1877.
I am now on the quest for some more information, this time trying to find out more about my other 2nd Great grandfather, Cornelius Hughes 1825 -1888. I know he was born in Ireland but lived in Haslingden. He was married to Alice Walker 1827 - 1911and their daughter, Ann, was my Great grandmother. They all lived in Accrington and Ann was a Cotton Weaver.
I know Ann had a number of siblings so if there's any failymembers desdendedfrom those siblings who can tell me about Cornelius Hughes and or Alice Walker, then I would be interested to hear from them.
Kind regards, Anne Clarkson.
19th December 2014 Email from Michael Mullaney
Re: old records for Goodshaw Chapel - the original registers are held at Manchester Library in the local studies unit which is possibly most convenient for Peter
however, there are copies held on film at Lancashire record office, Preston.
Records look to start as early as 1699 and go through to 1899.
18th December 2014 Email from Peter Barnes
I'm the Peter Barnes who has been researching my Barnes family history.
I live in Salford and youv'e helped me before.I'm a descendent, of Henry
Barnes born 1785, and Betty Nutter his wife. I'm researcing Betty
Nutter, who would have been my fifth grandmother. There is a record for
a Betty Nutter who was baptised at St Nicholas Newchurch Rossendale.
She was baptised in 1792. Her Father was a Willian Nutter and her mother
a Margret Lord. I Have not been able to trace William Nutter, in St
Nicholas records, but recently i came accross, a William Nutter
mentioned on a plaque at Goodshaw Old Baptist church. Rawtenstall
library have a few records and a michro film of some BMD, from
Goodshaw. But Manchester library and Preston records office don't have
the records. The old Goodshaw chapel is i believe now owned by English
heritage. William was born 1762 and died 1824 as is mentioned on the
plaque. So if you know whether there are BMD records for Goodshaw on
those dates, and if they still exist. Will you let me know. I believe
that at that time marriages had to be in church of England churches.
12th December 2014 Email from Paul Schofield
|Click over photo to enlarge|
My late Mother, Vera Schofield lived in Jubilee Court. There a gentleman gave a talk about the history of the postal service in Rossendale. After the talk he laid out some photos, my Mother was pleasantly surprised to see her Father in one. George William Hornung is fifth from the right in the attached photo.
8th December 2014 Email from Keith Burton
7th December 2014 Email from Michael Mullaney
Thanks for the email from John Maguire. I am aware of the passage from John Dunleavy's book but it doesn't sit comfortable.
Lets consider the options for burials in Haslingden. Some but not all the dissenting churches and chapels had their own small cemeteries. It could be said that none had excess capacity to take in the high number of Irish Catholics, that's if they agreed too.
Also the dissenting churches and chapels without their own graveyard suffered the same as the Irish Catholics which is probably why they had their own, small as they might have been but reserved strictly for their own followers. Why would they accept Irish Catholics?
Quoting from Dunleavy "Most interments, however, took place in Haslingden church yard, though up to 1880 it was not possible to bury the dead there with the church's rites:" That indicates to me that from the earliest time the majority were buried in Haslingden parish church cemetery albeit up and until the Act of Parliament of 1880 it was done without any Catholic religious rites. As I understand it: The clergy would accompany the deceased and mourners as far as the gates and there all religious activity stopped. The body would be handed over to the verger and his men who would then proceed to the "grave" and complete the burial, which may or may not have taken place at that time. The mourners were turned away and not allowed to enter the graveyard or mark the grave. In the case of babies and very small children, they, with the help of a sympathetic undertaker or other suitable person would be slipped into a grave in which someone had just been buried, although the two events may have been several days if not weeks apart. The mother having no knowledge of exactly where her child might be buried, except that is was one of a very recent burial. After 1880 this was changed and you begin to see the Catholic clergy registering the burials in the burial books. But still no markers allowed. The Irish Catholics were seen to be heathen's and not Christian and unworthy of being buried alongside good English Christian stock. It could be said that most Irish would prefer to spend the money on a wake or other essential items, however, some must have wanted to place a maker as time went on many were establishing themselves as tradesmen and becoming richer than their fellow Irish. To the Irish the passing of a loved one was a great occasion and much was made of it. If we turn to St. James the Less at Rawtenstall, it did not have a large area into which the congregation could be buried it, like St. Mary's relied on the town cemetery in Rawtenstall. I guess that Altham was out of the question for most. So we come back to the original query, Where did all the hundreds of Irish Catholics get buried? If the Irish Catholic congregation was around 1000 in 1861 and up to 2000 in later years, that's not including all those who died in between and we consider that many lived in poverty and were prone to ill health and succumbed to early deaths, it would seem to me that under any stretch of the imagination that would have been a lot of burials and should have warranted a reasonable sized plot. If you enter the grave yard by Salem Street as you reach the top on the right is a small piece of ground, now being used for cremation plots, which is believed to be the "paupers grave". On reflection however it is remarkably small for the numbers we are contemplating. The lower end of the plot is well accommodating of graves with markers going back to the mid 1800s and therefore would have been in use at the period we are considering and could discount the larger area of that plot. The graveyard at St. James was extended several times over the years to accommodate the rising number of burials and Haslingden Corporation was remarkably slow in opening a new cemetery for the town. Is it possible that the "Paupers" grave gave way to one of the extensions?
7th December 2014 Email from John McGuire (ex pat Australia)
6th December 2014 Email from Michael Mullaney
Just wondered, as St. James's was the official parish cemetery for Haslingden from its earliest time until the new town cemetery opened at Holden Hall about 1920 and the official burial ground for the majority of Haslingden folk
where was the hundreds of Irish Catholics buried between 1850 and 1920? Officially, they were not permitted to be buried in consecrated ground being deemed not Christians, its presumed they went into "paupers" graves, but realistically, the huge numbers involved
would warrant a huge piece of land being designated as a "paupers grave", which there doesn't seem to be any? All burials are recorded in the burial books but no location. In this enlightened age should it not be identified and marked?
5th December 2014 Email from Sam Westwell
25th November 2014 Email from David Goble
I am Sheila Mcconville Nee Mcintyre Loved the old photos and made me remember happy days at St Mary's Bury road does anyone remember Miss Spiers infant class coal fire large fire guard on cold days milk bottles on the guard warming for us when we arrived after walking from Syke also a swing to play on it hung from a chain in the middle of class room Health and Safety ?! Loved it Ll
14th November 2014 email from Anne Griffiths (nee Clarkson)
Hello Bryan, I have found your name through the Haslingden blog and wondwer if you can help me? I am researching my family tree and in particular I am now looking at my 2nd Great Grandfather, John Clarkson who was born in Preston in 1821 and died in Haslingden in 1877. My brother says he remembers our Granddad telling him that this man died in a brick kiln explosion in the Accrington brickworks in 1877. However, I can't find any records of this event. Is there anything recorded in newspaper or journals to substantiate this? Have you ever heard of an 1877 Brick kiln explosion in Accrington or Haslingden. How many others were killed in it I wonder?
Thanks for your reply. It is all interesting stuff. I subscribe to Ancestry.co.uk but can only get details of the date and location of his death. Thanks very much. Kindest regards, Anne Griffiths (nee Clarkson)
John Clarkson - Birth: 1821 Preston, Lancashire. Death: 1877 in Haslingden Lancashire Age 56.
Parents: Tomas Clarkson and Ann Gregson. Spouse and Children: Ann Brennan and Joseph Clarkson 1863-1940.
10th November 2014 email from Derek Whittaker
10th November 2014 email from Michael Mullaney
Re: picture of St. Marys football team sent in by Angus Lindsay.
Attached pictures of cup winners medal for Michael Doherty (third from left on back row) for 1939-40 1st Division Championship Blackburn and District Football Combination.
Don't know if that's the league which St. Marys played in? By all accounts Doherty was a very good player but died young.
A point to look out for is:
In Bacup cemetery a voluntary organisation, not just sure who, is placing identification plinths on graves of families who lost sons in the First World War with details of the solider who died etc.
I understand this is a free service and Haslingden, presumably Holden Hall and St. James's graveyard as well as independants are to be done next year.
Therefore any interested parties need watch out for details of what and how to get their relatives remembered in this way.
1st November 2014 (a email from Hannah Zaman)
20th October 2014 (A email from David Worsley - New Zealand)
|Alderman Henry Worsley's Coronation Medal|
issued when he was the Mayor of Haslingden
Photo: David Worsley ( Alderman Worsley's Great Grandson)
|J.W. Bridge cast iron range at "The Dearden" on Higher Deardengate.|
Photo: June Huntingdon of Accrington Museum
17th September 2014
Follow up on 26th September 2014.
Jean has managed to trace the tramcar to the Heaton Park Tramway Museum were it is awaiting restoration. Here is a photo of when it was in situ at Spout House.
|Rawtenstall Tram No.23 in situ at Spout House|
Hello, I wondered if you could help me in trying to find a book that a man wrote, in which part of it included being an evacuee in Haslingden during WW2.
I'm sorry, but this is all the information I know regarding this book.
18th August 2014 (Email from Cheryl Clarke)
Response from Alan Papworth 27th August 2014
|Ant locomotive from Hutch Bank Quarry|
16th July 2014 (Email and photos from Allan Bradshaw)
18th July 2014 is the 50th Anniversary of the Great Floods of Haslingden and Helmshore...........
3rd July 2014 (Email from Dave Twydell)
Iv'e been in touch with you before, whilst following my family tree. My
name is Peter Barnes, and i,m descendent of James Barnes, the son of
Henry Barnes of Clough Bottom farm, born 1783. Thanks for the help from
both you and Jackie. I have since last contacting you, found the
will,(Preston records office), of another Henry Barnes born 1754, and
died 1815. He has the same Clough bottom farm address, so must be the
father of Henry Barnes born, 1783. Clough Bottom farm, is an isolated
farm lower down the valley, than Copy farm. So anyone from that
address must be from the same family.
Henry born 1754, married an Isabel Greenwood, who became Isabel
Barnes. She died in 1811. and had the same Clough bottom address. The
memorial inscription is "Isabel, UXOR of Henrici".
The father of Henry Barnes born 1754, also was a Henry Barnes. It seems
the name was passed on. I have copies of the will of Henry, born 1754
which i,ll post at a later date. I have a copy of a rent book, naming
a John Barnes living at Toddhall farm, presumibly about 1800. And would
be greatfull if anyone has any further information, regarding this John
29th May 2014 (Email received from Norma Albinson)
I have some memories of Haslingden.
As a very small child ( now over sixty !), we used to live in Salford and came regularly to visit
My mother who was evacuated with her sister to a gentleman who lived at 307 Blackburn Road.
He became my godfather . His name was Edward William James Moore and he was a teacher at the old high school. He was also a church warden at the church.
I only have vague memories of the chemist shop and the town square.
Remember as well the hill behind his house and climbing up it, it seemed very high!
The bus stop was almost out side the house and remember it seemed so big !
I think I have a photo somewhere, just a case of finding it !
He had retired by the time we were there in the 50's so would have been at the School teaching in the 1920/ 30, hopefully some one else will recognize the name and we can learn more. He used to take and developed his own photographs, this in the under stairs cupboard, remember the smell of the chemicals.
Now living in Liverpool at the other side of the UK.
|1958 First Communion St. Marys (Click over photo to enlarge)|
|St Thomas Church Choir, Helmshore 1924, presented by William Moorhouse.|
Kathleen is asking, does anyone recognize any relatives or persons in this photograph? The church History group (St. Thomas) would love to be able to put some names to it. If you can help please let me know on my email: email@example.com and I will pass on details direct to Kathleen or alternatively let me have your email address and I will pass that on to her.
(9th May 2014) Email from Clifford Hargreaves in response to Joan Barlows request
(6th May 2014) Email from Peter Booth
My family originates from Haslingden & Padiham - although moved to the North East about 1895.
I have handed down to me a Silver Tea Pot belonging to my great great great grandfather Sidney Booth for services as Chairman of the Haslingden Gas Company 1848-1852.
He was owner of a small cotton mill, but appears to have fallen on hard times c 1860's (which was I assume due to the Cotton Famine).
His son who appears to have practiced in Padiham was Dr John Gregory Booth.Have you by any chance have come by any information on Sidney Booth.
Many thanks for your help
(27th April 2014) Email from Mike Ryan
Looks like the Club Secretary brought before the bench was my granddad. I remember the house on Rosewood Avenue well. I think I have a photo of him somewhere. I remember going to Clubs in the 70's when the same practice of "signing in" was carried out. The doorman may as well have written ditto in the book.
(23rd April 2014) Email from ex pat Margaret West (Canada)
(15th April 2014) Email from Duncan Francis
Please could you tell me the name of the local newspaper that covered the Haslingden area during the Great War Period? I am trying to find details for Richard Barnes who was killed on 23rd October 1916. Aged 37 and husband of Harriet Barnes of 28 Sunnybank Street, Haslingden.
Duncan is researching the men with a connection to Ramsbottom who were killed during WW1 and the only reference he has to Richard Barnes locally was that he was formerly of Callender Street, Ramsbottom, but resided with his wife in Haslingden.
If you can help please let me know and I will forward details direct to Duncan.
Response kindly sent in by Jackie Ramsbottom (newspaper photo and cuttings)
|Private Richard Barnes of 51 Heys Street, Haslingden. (If you want a larger photo please click|
here and then go to bottom right corner and enlarge up to original.
follow up email from Joan B (16th April 2014)
I have found i'm related, to James Barnes, of Clough Bottom, or Copy
farm. Who's father was a Henry Barnes which i presume is in Grane. And i
also have a relation called Ralph Barnes, married to an Isabel Barnes.
Ralphs address is given as Todd Hall., at about 1800. I'm interested in
what Todd Hall actually was, and if there is any means or records, of
farm tenancy at that date.
(27th March 2014) Email from David Desforges
(25th February 2014) Email from Stella Waters (nee Pilkington)
I was born and brought up in Haslingden and my grandma and grandad Jack and Doris Pilkington had the cook shop on George Street in the 1950s and 60s. I am trying to find David and Elizabeth Grime, children of Clifford Grime who I think was a headmaster in the valley. I have their grandad Ernest's WW1 soldiers bible and I would like them to have it. Can you help please? Really enjoy your blog, recognize lots of faces and places.
Stella Waters (nee Pilkington)
(25th February 2014) Email sent in by Janet Pritchard (Australia)
Good Evening Bryan,
(21st February 2014) Email sent in by Mike Ryan
(14th February 2014) Photo kindly sent by John McGuire (ex pat Australia)
|Some of St. Peters Scouts (photo: Pete Samson)|
(11th February 2014) Email from Michael Mullaney
(8th February 2014) Email from Allan Bradshaw (Helmshore)
Allan has kindly sent in this photo of the Haslingden St. Peters Scouts from c1958. I have also uploaded this to the Photo Album File.
|1958 St. Peters Boy Scouts. (Please click over to enlarge)|
I have had great pleasure in viewing your fantastic blog. Which included Haslingden St. James C of E School photographs.
Following the very recent death of my mother. I have been trying to gain some insight into my father Brian Matthews, childhood. However sadly he now suffers with Dementia, and cannot recall his past. So therefore I am trying to find photographs and seek any knowledge in-relation to himself and his older siblings. Perhaps I could then take up a topic of conversation with him. My dad was born in 1938 and lived on Birch Avenue, Haslingden for a number of years. He was born with abnormalities to both his hands. I believe he was a colourful chappie and was known to many in and around the local area. He very often talked fondly of those super moors surrounding Haslingden. He was the youngest of three siblings. He had a brother Roy and a sister Joan, who are both deceased.
It would appear that a school photograph posted in your blog dated between 1948 and 1949 could possibly contain a photo of Joan Matthews my fathers sister. Both Roy and my father Brian became amateur boxers in their late teens and early twenties.
I would very much appreciate any information that you could recall, if any regarding my fathers childhood and family.
Mrs N BIBBY
(1st February 2014) Email from Annette Barnes
Hi Bryan could you ask on your blog if anyone has a photo of the Rev Bernard H Lord vicar of St Peters Church Laneside he was there between 1946 to 1951 he is the only vicar we have no photos of . Any help much appreciated. Annette.
(1st February 2014) Email from Gordon Rae
7th February 2014 - Four kind offers of help already, but please keep offering!
(26th January 2014) Email from Michael Mullaney
(25th January 2014) Email from Ex Pat - Alen Fielding (Queensland, Australia)
|Swinnel Brook near allottments|
|"Bonfire Night with Guy Fawkes"|
(Photos: added from archive)
(22nd January 2014) Email from Ex Pat - Alen Fielding (Queensland, Australia)
(David has kindly offered his email details)
(Responses: 22nd January 2014 - A old friend got in touch with David.
Also a fabulous email from Martin Molloy (23rd January 2014) as follows:
Will try to identify the players however can't guarantee the accuracy.Have only seen
2 of the players since the game in 1959. Match was Interleague team for Accrington Boys League v Burnley Boys Club 1959.
Top ?,?,?,Willie Millar ( Accrington Stanley),?,Tom Lees ( League Co Founder),?,?,?
Players in strip.
Top row. Colin Banks. Kevin?,?, Dave Tillotson,?,?,?
Front row. Alan Pilkington, Martin Molloy, Alan Herd,Tony( Tudge )Carr, Jimmy Haworth.
Got a photo of the first game played by Marsden Square at Great Harwoods ground. Will put the bones on it and send on later.Grand to hear from Dave. He played for Burnley F.C. Youth Team later. Also St. Mary's, Grane Villa, and Haslingden F.C.
Martin Molloy has kindly sent in this photo (23rd January 2014):
|Marsden Square Under 14s c1959 click over to enlarge.|
Middle. John Toole. Colin Metcalfe. Martin Molloy. Alf Harper. Alan Lomax. Derek Whittaker.Steve Durkin. Jim Nuttall. Keith Lundy.
Bottom. Alan Durkin. David Harrison. David Tillotson. Stuart Harper. George Barlow.
Played at Great Harwood Showground Wood Street 1959. Team set up by Walt Metcalfe & Stan Gorton using money raised in a jumble sale run on East Gate near Walts house. Unfortunately Stan & Walt couldn't play any matches because they had passed the age limit. The Final at Peel Park ended 2 all. Alan Lomax got both goals. The replay at Back Lane, Baxenden,a field above Baxenden C.C. ended in our defeat. It was the Consolation Cup.
|Parade of the East Lancs Regt receiving Freedom of the Borough|
I think this photo is a parade of an East Lancs regiment when they received the freedom of the town in Haslingden but would love to have confirmation of this if any of your readers recognise it. My Grandfather, Albert Wren if 5th from the right in the line up.
from: Bryan Yorke (20th January 2014).
Jean, I think the gentleman who is first in the line is Mr. Giddings who had a lot to do with the Church Lads Brigade in Haslingden. Not sure but think the Mayor here is Councillor Tom Waller, and the gentleman holding the mace is Mr. George Worswick - The Mayors Attendant. I am not sure but the gentlemen behind the mayor could well be Alderman (but Councillor then) Albert Bussey.
(18th January 2014) Email from Jean Tomlinson
I am sending a photo which I hope will be of interest to your readers. It was taken for the opening of the Haslingden Co-op shoe shop. I don't have a date but would be early 1960s I imagine. Sitting on the right is cricketer Vinoo Mankad and next to him is Stanley Matthews. My grandfather, Albert Wren is standing 1st left. Maybe your readers could add the other names. According to my grandfather, Stanley was playing a match that afternoon and offered my grandfather a lift. Albert declined the lift saying that he had already booked a seat on Mark Barnes coach.
|Opening of the Haslingden Co-op Shoe Shop with Stanley Matthews and Vinoo Mankad.|
Mr. Albert Wren standing left at the back.
Just came across your blog and amazingly I'm in the 1969 photo as a ? I'm on the 3rd row from back in front of Jennifer Dickinson and 2 to left of Derek Warburton. I haven't seen this photo for many years and don't have a copy so your blog is providing a great service. Excellent.
I last went to a reunion probably 25 years ago or more and sadly have lost touch. I joined the Royal Navy and went to Dartmouth after A levels then did a degree in Dentistry at Guy's Hospital London . I have been in practice in Bournemouth for 32 years.
I am keen to know if there are any reunions these days.
(6th January 2014) Email from Jonathan Snowden of the Martins Bank Archive.
(16th December 2013) Email from Peter Sansom (Ex pat from Fylde)
(5th December 2013) Email from Kathleen Hogg (first email received 29th Nov 2013 and second email received 2nd Dec 2013, third email received 5th Dec 2013)
Email No.2 Thank you so much for your kindness, yes that would be great ,i have been with my mum all day as she had a bad fall on Friday night,she went outside ,in the dark and fell but didn't press her sos alarm it was lucky a neighbour found her ,i am just trying to think how to help her remember happy times ,i bought a photo album which had the word memories on the cover and that's what has given me the idea to do a 1 photo picture prompt on each place ,she told me today she started work at a slipper works in Rawtenstall but then did shopwork ,she lived opposite Green fields Gardens on Manchester road Haslingden,st marys church is where she got married she was in allot of shows at the public hall Haslingden and her brother Gerrard and Thomasmcintyre (deceased)played cricket for haslingden ,i presume this was in the 1940 s as mum was born in 1930 ,she talks alot about taking all hr ballet lessons and exams at a miss shipstones of Haslingden but stopped when she got married ,mum went to live in accrington then Oswaldtwistle from 1965 and was the founder of the saint marys Oswaldtwistle pantomime group in Oswaldtwistle until she had to retire ,i don't know if this information helps at all ,i have decided to just concentrate my picture book on from1930/40/50"s as i think they are the memories that mum likes to dwell on but gets confused,but her face lights up when talking about Haslingden in particular the war and post war years,i think these were her fun/teenage years and she loves singing all the songs associated with that ere thank you for your time ,i am sorry to have rambled on!!
So so grateful for your reply and help
Email No.3 Hi Bryan I have managed to find 5 photographs out of the 42 , thank you very much , I am not computer literate so have no idea how to put a message on the blog page? would you have any of the children's St Mary's walking days photographs from about 1955 to 65? ,
(5th December 2013) Email from Keith R Lingard (Kent)
Hi, For some time now I have been promising myself to look at the history of my birth place, Haslinden, so you can imagine my surprise to find myself featured in the class of 1953 at St James C of E Primary School. Someone must have a great memory identifying almost everyone. My teacher was Miss Haworth. I am in the middle of the very front row, to the left of David Carey, and was then known as Keith Robert Atkins. I guess my name is missing because at the end of that school year my mum remarried and we moved to London. I was born at 38 Warwick Street and lived there with my mum, Emily Atkins, Nan and Grandad called Emily & Robert (Bob) Smith & my mum’s sister, Dorothy before moving to 108 Jubilee Road in 1952. We attended regularly at the Independent Methodist Chapel Beaconsfield Road where my Grandad was a deacon and I have fond memories of the annual summer church outings and parades and somewhere I have a picture of myself carrying the bible in front of the Church banner which then was considered a privilege. My other fond memory was watching my Grandad play cricket behind Haslinden Old Road and the Quarry. I can still hear the wind whistling through the electric cables now and I remember that the pitch was made of concrete. Also, straight after school my friends and I would often walk down to the cotton Mills and jump in the large Vats of cotton and it was known for us to walk through the factory and pass the very large and noisy machinery (No health and safety then). The workers often gave us a drink and a pie. Sadly Nan died in 1953 but Grandad lived till the late 80’s. My mum now lives in Australia and this year she will be 91. Her sister died 8 years ago. One of my best friends lived on a Farm on the Haslingden Old Road. I have been married for 49 years and most of the time lived here in Kent. I would love to hear from anyone else in the photo.
(3rd October 2013) Email from Marion Warn (Canada)
(25th September 2013) Emails from Nadine Crabtree.
|This is Arthur Pickup with is wife. Nadine is asking what year is the bicycle? (please click over to enlarge).|
(25th September 2013 Email from ex pat John McGuire (Australia)
|Haslingden Grand Carnival 1930s? John's mum Annie Berry is on the float 3rd from the right. It is probable that the float was entered by Haslingden St. James parishioners. (please click over to enlarge) Also now filed in photo gallery|
|Can anyone please confirm whether or not this is the Haslingden School and also does anyone have any information on George Arthur Pickup b.1873.|
(9th August 2013) Email from David Shardlow
I have a medal (see pictures below) which commemorates the Coronation of Edward VII issued by the 6th Mayor of Haslingden G.A. Smith in 1902.
Can you tell me anything about it?. Regards - David Shadlow.
(9th August 2013) Email from Wadey with a couple of answers
(9th August 2013) Email from Natalie Ciriello
(6th August 2013) Email from Ann Wolstenholme
(6th August 2013) Email from Sandra Kearsley (Bolton)
Came across your web site looking for info on a farm in Helmshore, back in 1955 I think it was a pig farm belonged to my grandmothers brother George Thomas Bentley B.1884 on his wifes death cert in 1955 it says either New/lea/Low? Barn Farm, Helmshore can't make the lettering out even with a magnifying glass I was wondering if you could help? he was a excavator on the 1911 census I see you mention stone in helmshore.
Also I notice Bridge end pub would you know if this was at the bottom of a hill and did it have a winding staircase, my grandmother Polly Scrivener (nee Bentley) ran a pub bottom of helmshore 1900's not sure exact dates though would think between 1920/1930's.
They then moved to Bury around then to Bolton around 1935/6 which is where I live at present.
my grandmothers father Thomas Bentley ran the Horseshoe at featherstall from 1882 to 1896 he was millworker on the 1911 census, his wifes father George Rigg ran the same pub before thomas took over in 1882.
If you can help that would be great if not that's fine will keep on searching thank you for taking the time to read my e-mail.
Regards S kearsley
(6th August 2013) Email from Brian Holden (Accrington)
Hi Bryan been looking through your blog and its very enjoyable, Though i'm an Accy lad, i used to go the Astoria occasionally, also in mid/ late 60s i used to go up Haslingden regular to a dance hall called the High Spot, no-one seems to remember this place? I seem to think it was up some stairs over what is the Liberal Club?? Had some good nights up yon, hope you can help with some facts? regards Brian.
(3rd July 2013) Email from Teresa Nelson (ex pat Australia)
Hi this is Teresa here Anne's sister (Anne Southon blog below this), I just thought I would correct some information here. My mother Annie Banks and Father Joseph Grieco owned the chippie which they bought from Sue and Albert Wood who were my aunt and uncle. We sold it in 1957 to migrate to Australia.
My mother Annie was born in Accrington and she met my father who was Italian, whilst he was interned in England after the war. There was four children living in the shop with our mum and dad.
My grandmother Joyce Woods lived in Booth Street, Michael used to go there a lot. Makes me wonder what kind of gossip was floating around at the time.
(20th June 2013) Email from Anne Southon (ex pat Australia)
My parents owned the chippie you talk of on Blackburn Road, that the Rudges later owned. They sold it in 1957 when we moved to Australia and I have been searching for any photos or information on it. I would love any information you can give me or any old photos etc. or information on where I can get them from. All I have is an old copy of an ad. that was shown at the pictures for supper at the cafe. Mr parents were called Grieco and I was born there.
(13th June 2013) Email information from Arthur Keown
(2nd June 2013) Email request information from Jade Chadwick
I have recently come across your blog whilst trying to search for my Grandfather John Whalley who died over 55 years ago.
I have very little information on him but know that he is buried in Haslingden, has a brother called Jesse, and died in a car crash. He was married to Betty or maybe known as Elizabeth and her mother was called Ivy, and Ivy's surname was Mellor or she was related to Mellor's.
I am trying to find a photo of him for my father as he died when my father was only a few weeks old. By the way he worked at Ewood Bridge on the Gas.
If you can find or know any information on him, or know anyone that could get me for information, school photos anything let me know please. I am in desperate need.
I would be delighted to hear from you.
Update: 2nd June 2013 - Pete who knows the family well is already making contact with Jade with possible help.
Update: 2nd June 2013 - Jackie is offering to supply the details of the obituary and the inquest findings on Jade's Grandad etc.
Update: 5th June 2013 - Mary and Nigel have supplied further information for Jade. - Sadly to press no photo of her Grandad has been found
(28th May 2013) Email from Colin
Subject: Helmshore Conservative Club
Date: 27 May 2013 14:29
I came across your blog Haslingden Old and New (nice site / blog by the way) and was wondering if you could help me. I am trying to find out how old (approximately) is the building on Holcombe Rd that was once the Helmshore Conservative Club. I think it is No 397 and is now a private residence.
Would it be Victorian, Edwardian or maybe younger ?
Thank you in advance for your help and time.
If anyone has any information to help Colin, please let me know at firstname.lastname@example.org and I will forward it on to him.
(Response: from Jackie Ramsbottom and John Simpson 30th May 2013)
Jackie can now confirm that the building dates from 1892 when it was a new building built specifically for the Helmshore Conservative Club and was opened on the 8th April 1892 by George Wyndham MP.
"There was a Helmshore Conservative Club before the building in Holcombe Road, though am not sure where they met. It may have been in the old National School further along Holcombe Road. The building where John Mc Manus now lives was purpose built as the new Con Club and opened in 1892"
(from Wadey 30th may 2013) Must be Victorian, it's on your photo of the Wesleyan Chapel, I've a photo here
(28th May 2013) Email from Malcolm Pilkington (Inverness)
Request for information:
Dear Bryan Yorke,
I was browsing various Haslingden information and came across your reference to Jack Cordingley in 2009.
I am a step relative of Jack Cordingley through one of his aunties and have been looking for ways to regain contact with his family. Jack sold me my first car an Austin Healey Sprite a long time ago!
Would it be possible for you to pass on my contact details to the family?
I am Malcolm Pilkington, son of John Robert Pilkington and Grandson of George Pilkington who was married to Mary Jane Cordingley (1882-1968). We currently live in Nairn near Inverness and visit north Lancashire in the summer.
I last saw Jack and his wife in 1986 at the Elms Hotel, Morecambe.
I do hope you can help.
"I dont have any details on Jack Cordingley, but if anyone can help Malcolm with this information will they kindly pass details on to me at email@example.com and I will then forward on to Malcolm."
(7th May 2013) Email from Terry Hissey requesting the following:
(9th May 2013) Response from John R. Edwards:
|Trinity Baptist 1948|
Which includes this fabulous photo of members of the Trinity Baptist Church during 1948 (please click over photograph to enlarge). He has also listed some of the members which he knows in his email below:
(24th April 2013) Email from Valerie Vicich (nee Hargreaves)
I am looking for the parents of my great-great grandfather William Hargreaves born Haslingden 1833.
He married Maria Holden at St James Church Dec 31st 1859.
The family later moved to Sheffield and then to Barrow-in-Furness
Valerie Vicich (nee Hargreaves)
Please contact me if you can help Valerie by clicking here
(19th April 2013) Email from Ann Taylor (Acre)
(18th April 2013) Email from Keith Fitton (ex pat)
A fellow blogger has been in touch asking if I might remember a certain Rev Fergus McBride, a vicar in Haslingden in the late fifties he thinks (Fergus is his grandfather). I don't - but I said that I might ask around and see whether anyone else does. Is it worth an ask on your blog?
Rev McBride took over both parishes at that time. He had come to Lancashire to
be vicar at St James. Jackie is now in contact with Keith and his friend Nick and helping them with their research.
follow up 26th April 2013 - Just a update to say that since Keith and Nicholas's request there have been three positive replies with helpful information.
(12th April 2013) Email from Sandra Jew (Australia) requesting information about her dad "Alan (Bernie) Francis Taylor (b.1948)
I stumbled accross your Haslingden blog whilst researching my dad's family. My dad, Alan Francis Taylor (b. 1948) who passed away in 2002, was born in, and grew up in Haslingden. I do not have a lot of information; he was an only child and to my knowledge his parents died when he was young and he had a difficult upbringing. I have never met any of his relatives in the Haslingden area, and aside from my mother meeting an aunt of his, Betty Taylor, we have never had any contact with any of his family. I am just wondering if you would be able to give me any tips on where to start? I've done a bit of a family tree using pieces of existing information, and ancestry.com, and believe that a cousin of my dad's, Rita Hoolahan, appears in one of the school photos on your site! From your blog you seem to have so much knowledge and interest in the area, and it would be great if you could point me in the right direction for researching his extended family.
His father was Frank Taylor (I have no other details about him and this seems to be a very common name), and his mother, Winifred Eileen Taylor (nee Flynn). His maternal grandparents were George and Eleanor (nee Pelham), however, I believe that Eleanor re-married a Thomas Hoolohan/Hoolahan, and had a son, Thomas jnr, who married a Mary Hindle (possibly), and had four daughters - Margaret, Rita, Mary and Kathleen. His paternal grandparents were Walter and Mary.
Any advice on how to find out if any of his relatives are stil living and in the area, would be much appreciated.
(Update 15th April 2013) Just a quick update to say that Sandra who has been requesting information about her dad "Alan "Bernie" Taylor, has now been contacted by three of her dads old friends, and also by Jackie who is trying to help her with her family history. - Please keep the information coming.
(8th April 2013) Email and photos from Carrie Creamer Hart (Canada)
Carrie is seeking information about the names of the children in the photos. All three pictures would have been taken on Hillside Road in Haslingden around the 1952 or 1953 period. Anyone who remembers a woman named Kate Davies (born 1895 and died 1971) living on that road or her brother Sam Davies (who was connected thru 3 marriages to Hilditch, McCormack, and the Fallon families of Rawtenstall), any help would be greatly appreciated. Kate was the grandmother of my Mum who is in all three of the pictures in question.
So if anyone can help Carrie please let me have details or forward a email address so that I can forward to Carrie (Please send details here)
The photos are:
(16th May 2013) response from Mary Brown (nee Simms):
(17th May 2013) response from Sheila Calder (Ex pat - Canada)
Just saw the pictures Carrie Cramer Hart had on your site.
The little girl pictured in the centre of the first photo is Adena Davies.
Her mother Vera pictured standing in the other photo. Adena had
a brother Norman and I believe that was also the father's name.
They lived on Jubilee Road where I knew Adena from.
I grew up on Hillside Road, leaving Haslingden in 1965.
back a lot of memories. My grandfather was John Goldsworthy -
he was the herbalist on Church Street. Old shop is long gone now!
(18th May 2013) follow up response from Shieila Calder (Ex pat - Canada)
Thanks for your email. And in fact today I had an email from Carrie which I have just
replied to. I shall be in touch with her in the near future as we are having a family BBQ
next weekend and my brother or sister may have some information to share.
I have lived in Canada since 1966; locating to the Niagara Falls area about 23 years ago.
Incredibily there is an "Apothecary Shop" in Niagara on the Lake which is a museum
of sorts and could almost be my grandfather's shop (store front and inside too) right down
to the licorice sticks!!!!...I took my Uncle there when he came for a visit - it took him back many,
many years as he grew up in the store on Church Street.
All the best to you... Regards
(26th March 2013) Email from Jane Thynne
Response to above from Bryan Yorke.
Many thanks for your email, and I have now put your request for information on the Boys Home here on the blog. I do know where it is and the building is still there. It lies just off "Sandown Road" Haslingden towards the rear or East side of a newish (30 year old) housing estate and has been a private dwelling for a long number of years.
The building which you refer to as the "The Moorlands" was several hundred yards to the South East of the Boys Home. I do think that the buildings often referred to as the Moorlands could well have included the larger building which was originally the Workhouse. And the lower buildings further to the East which were the actual Moorlands Infirmary. Later on the combined (Workhouse and Infirmary) buildings formed what was to be the Rossendale General Hospital. The Rossendale General Hospital, has been officially closed now for about 3 years although it had partially closed from any major activity about 8 years or so).
The School you refer too will have been the Haslingden County Primary School.
(1st May 2013) follow up from Michael Mullaney
(19th April 2013) follow up from Dave Rothwell)
In response to Janet I wonder if her Dad knew my Uncle Richard (Dick) Beech. Uncle Dick was an Orphan and went to the boys home. I'm not sure of the years but it's likely to be around the same period. Uncle Dick was a Dunkirk veteran and in later years had the selling out shop on Blackburn Road and in the 60's was the manager at the small Co-op shop on the corner of Poplar Street near to the Grane mill.
Dear Mr Yorke,
I am a granddaughter of Frederick Tattersall, MD of J H Birtwistle who lived at Westbourne, Helmshore. I am very interested in the history of the mill and the family, especially at present I
would like to know how my grandfather became the owner of the mill, as in earlier census records he is an employee elsewhere. If you could put me in touch with anyone who might be able to help me with this, or have any relevant information, I would be most grateful.
I have been very interested to read your web page and it obviously commands great interest both locally and from expats wherever they may be. I think the older we are, the more fascinating our history becomes!
Christine Bailye. ( daughter of Margaret Newey, nee Tattersall).
Response to above from Bryan Yorke. Hello Christine, I will pass on your details to Jackie Ramsbottom of Haslingden Roots, It is possible she may be able to help you with the "family" side of things. In regards to finding out more about the actual Company. All I can suggest at the moment is that you may wish to try and contact John Willan of Ewood Bridge who was a director and the last manager serving alongside your grandad Frederick, I am sure he will know something about its history. Sorry no contact details for John. Hope someone may read this and be able to help you. It would be great to have some history of one of Haslingden's great factories. If anyone can help please contact me and I will ensure Christine gets the information. Thank you.
"Further responses have been made and posted on direct to Christine from both Jackie and Elizabeth"
(25th February 2013) Email from Eileen Ball (Wiltshire)
I have been tracing my family history for 20 years now and wish I had found your fantastic site much earlier! My paternal family names - back to the 18th century, include Tattersall, Hoyle. Haworth, Holt and many more - all Haslingden born and bred, so it has been a joy to wander through the old stories and photo's on your site.
The reason I found the site was that I was googling for Tap Stone House, Hud Hey Road, which was where Ernest Hoyle was living when he died in 1941. I was hoping I may find a photo of the house but didn't have any luck. On Google Earth, it looks like newer properties have been built where the house once stood.
Now I have found the site, I shall be checking back on a regular basis. Thank you so much for all the time and effort you have put into it.
|Tap Stone House, Hud Hey Road|
Response to above by Bryan Yorke. Yes I do have a photo of Tap Stone House (filed: under Haslingden Local Snaps in the left hand section) which I took in 2003 and have included it here. There is also another photo taken from afar (in fact it was taken from up Higher Lane) and I have privately sent this to you. If anyone else can help Eileen with any further information, please let me know and I will email it to her.
(20th December 2012) Email from Phil Ridings.
Response to above by Bryan Yorke. The only thing I remember is that land above there was part of the original grounds of (Sir?) George Waddington, who was a JP and (I can still remember seeing him parking up his "big jag" outside of Clough End factory (Hud Hey) on most days, as I passed everyday on my way to School. It was sometime during the 50's. He was a main director of the Nicholas Worsley factories (eg: Hazel, Clough End and Rothwells etc), later that same land became the "Woodside" properties.
(11th December 2012) Email from Dave Roughley.
(11th December 2012) Response to above from Bryan Yorke: Dave, yes you are right at that period the Town team did play at the Clarence Ground at Flaxmoss. The ground was situated slightly north west and to the rear of the Clarence Hotel and it was known locally as "The Clarence Ground". Today there are houses built where the ground was and it is called the Flaxmoss or Mayfield Estate. "Some good notes on all this are in the Haslingden book pages 83 and 84 authored by Chris Aspin and Derek Pilkington and Published by the Helmshore Local History Society. If anyone else can help Dave in his research please let me know.
(29th November 2012) from Dave Rothwell.
(30th November 2012) added:
A very old advert for Cordingley's (The Old Firm) which was put within one of the Haslingden Town guides and kindly sent in by Clifford Hargreaves. (Click over to enlarge)
also a old photo of Cordingley's old car Showroom, kindly given by Jackie Ramsbottom. (Click over photo to enlarge)
(29th November 2012) from Dave Rothwell.
Dave has kindly sent in a photo showing his dad in his shop which was in Lower Deardengate, attached to the post office, in fact his shop was the original post office (see also photo below - showing the post office to the right hand side of the photo. Also he has attached a nice story about his dads days building the "balsa aeroplane" and the disaster, but also the start of a new venture:
|Mr. Rothwell's Shop|
in Lower Deardengate
"There is a tale to the balsa aircraft people may be interested in - .
My dad was in the RAF in the war and became interested in building and flying models in the late 40's. He decided he would start selling some models in the shop and that is why they are hung in the window (and why a furniture shop started selling toys as well).
|Rothwell's Shop was the|
original post office as shown here
I have attached a picture of Dad behind the counter in the shop probably around 1950 surrounded by toys and model aircraft stuff. (Click over smaller photos to enlarge if required).
(30th November 2012) David has added the following:
|Rossendale Motor Club approx c1959|
I have attached a picture which is of a Motor Club day out on Motorcycles probably about 1959 as I am on the far right and look about six. (Please click over photo to enlarge.
The other people are L/R:Stanley and Ona Morris who had the Gift shop on the parade at Waterfoot for many years and were friends of my Dad, my Mum Edith Rothwell,John Ebbrell (in motorcycle gear and white scarf) and his wife. John moved to London and became one of the main reporters on 'Motorcycle magazine'. My Dad moved him to London in his van and it was the first time they had ever been on a motorway and thought it was marvelous especially the Services !!!
Finaly either Barry or John Hinton with his wife. Barry and John looked very much alike so I'm not sure.
|Rossendale Enduro c1960|
Teams and riders came from all over the country to compete in this time trial which took them across moors, tracks and river fords to a finish late in the day. Many bikes were completely wrecked at the end of it. The Army always entered a team. The picture shows my Dad on the left scrutineering a scooter before the off helped by his pal Tom Hague who was a window cleaner in Haslingden for many years. This picture is probably around 1960.
That's all for now,
Many thanks again,
(26th November 2012 from Eddie Sheppard.
Good luck with it all,
(22nd November 2012 from Lee Johnson
I am a history student currently studying at UCLan in Preston and I am leading a small group of students in creating story boards about St. Peter's, Laneside to be a permenant display in the entrance hall to their community centre.
Whilst researching the town of Haslingden I have come across your blogspot site and I thought I would contact you. I was wondering if you have any photo's of the Church or School/Community Centre that could be of use to my team.
I look forward to hearing from you
(Response: If anyone can help please send details through to me at this email address, and I will then forward on to Lee, thank you in anticipation)
(14th November 2012) from Ann Whittaker J.P.
Response from Ann Whittaker J.P (dated: 14th November 2012)
Sent the email below to Keith Riley (8th November 2012) but I have received a delivery notification failure for the email address. I wondered if you could forward it to him or post it on the blog?
I have a great interest in family history, particularly of Haslingden where I was born. I viewed your post on the Haslingden old and new website regarding your Riley ancestors and took it upon myself to do some digging! (Hope you don't mind!). John Riley (1858) was indeed a school teacher. He married Nancy Ann Ramsbottom at the parish church on 28th April 1881. The couple had two children, Ernest Jon (1885) and Mary A (1883).
Nancy Ann Riley (nee Ramsbottom) died in 1900 and would therefore not appear on any census records after 1891. Her father was William Henry Ramsbottom, a respected coal dealer who followed his trade in Haslingden for many years.
John Riley's father - Robert Riley was an innkeeper by trade. The only record I can find for John Riley (1858), after the 1891 census is a John Riley as a patient in the workhouse, living on his own account and not as a pauper but his occupation is listed as 'innkeeper'. It may be a link....then again... it might not!
Maybe some of this will help...not too sure... let me know if I can assist you further...
Ann Whittaker J.P.
(29th October 2012) from Ann Southon (nee Grieco) from Australia.
(Response from Bryan) Hi Anne, I am aware of this one in the undermentioned photo which was next door to Harry Taylors butchers. When I was a child the owner was Mr and Mrs. Daniels, then as a teen and beyond it was Jack and Mary Stafford who had it, and then after them it was a Chinese chip shop, and I think the owner got ill and it was shut down and thats about( it as I remember. I am sure that if anyone out there does have a better photo of the chip shop maybe they will kindly contact me so that I can pass it on to you. This is the only one I have.
Also, thanks to Bob Stevens for reminding me about another chippy on Blackburn Road which was in the middle of the long row near to Railway Road. It was run by Mr. and Mrs. Hunt, and I remember on one side was Mr. Heap the Clogger and on the other side it was the Co-op. In fact thinking about it there was also Danny Rudges at the top of Prinny Hill. So I am to believe yours was the one at the top of Prinny Hill before Danny Rudge had it.
Grieco's chippy was next to Abbots butchers and Bramwell's fish shop.
Can't remember Ann but her brother Michael was in the scholarship class of 1957
at St. Mary's Junior School Haslingden and then he left or emigrated with his family?
Cheers Martin Molloy.
(25th October 2012) from John McGuire.
Once again thank you for your interesting and informative site. I last saw my father in 1991( he was born in 1911) and he told me a story that I would like to verify.
I feel sure that some of your contributors would be able to provide more information on this. My father and his family lived on Pocket St. Behind the Top Church.
He related a story of a mass exodus of residents from there to the brand new housing estate of Long Shoot. This was brought about by the deterioration of the water pipes
And the subsequent lead poisoning which occurred. His most vivid memory was of a long procession of horse drawn flitting trucks moving with great ceremony along Bury Rd
to the new housing estate at Shoot. This, he recalled, being accompanied by cheering crowds which lined the way. Dad reckoned that it was Haslingden’s first slum clearance
project. I imagine this took place in the 1920’s. Any corroboration or otherwise would be appreciated.
(9th October 2012) from Jackie Ramsbottom Re: St. James Church and its wall collapsing.
Did some research on this a while ago and this small snippet of information came from the Haslingden Guardian from 8th February 1946. I will check the Haslingden Observer and see what report was in there and if more info will pass on.
The article states that whilst demolition of properties surrounding the Church Wall was taking place this incident happened and as you can read some graves collapsed and headstones were lost.
(9th October 2012) from Keith Fitton (Haslingden) Re: St James Church and Its wall collapsing.
Congratulations on the Haslingden blog - its a great read. Thought you might be interested in my latest blog entry reflecting on some of my early memories of the town specifically thinking about St James's church. I may have dreamt the episode about the churchyard wall collapsing! Maybe someone else remembers it? Here's the link:-
Hi Keith, I do remember something about it, several people told me the story about Coffins being exposed etc, but it would be great to receive some more positive information). I believe there were articles about it in the local press.
(5th October 2012 from Clifford Hargreaves - Re Haslingden Liberal Club. Bryan, Re the Liberal Club Haslingden. The dance club was run by Matt and Della ROBERTS who had twin daughters and I think another daughter.They had previously run a dance club at the old Liberal Club in Rawtenstall, where I attempted to learn to dance. Clifford Hargreaves.
(4th October 2012 from Phil Collins - Re Haslingden Liberal Club.
Bryan, I saw the note from Brian Holden re the old Liberal Club which was at the bottom of Park Street. I can't rememeber what the dance club was called before the place became the Buccaneers club. However I did attempt to learn to dance at the old Liberal Club for a short period. I think the people that gave the instruction were called Matt and Della Street. Two of their daughers also attended the classes and I think they were twins.
One of my friends told me about this website a couple of weeks ago. I have found it fascinating to look at the stuff that is presented especially that from David Rothwell.
(30th September 2012 from Brian Holden - Re Haslingden Liberal Club. A email kindly sent in from Brian requesting further information on the "High Spot Dance Club" which was situated at the Liberal Club on Park Street, please let me know if you have any information or memories. Thanks.
(13th September 2012) from Bernadette Ainsworth
I have received the following email from Bernadette requesting information on the "Spout House". If anyone can help please contact me on: firstname.lastname@example.org and I will gladly pass the information on to Bernadette.
"Good eveningI have just seen your website about the area of haslingden, i found it very interesting, i was looking to see if there were any old pictures or information about "spout house farm" which is in haslingden, my son is about to move in to this property, and would love to know anything about the history of this house, sometimes it was known as spout houses, and we believe that many yers ago it was a coaching house, it is situated on cribden end lane.Any help or info would be much appreciated.Thank you
(30th August 2012) from Ian Edmundson
I see from the Telegraph that Rhodes Boyson has died. He was born in Haslingden and went to the Grammar School. His father William was chairman of the governors of HGS when I started there in 1964.
(Ian, I did not personally know Sir Rhodes, although I did know his father William, we used to have meetings at his house on Colldale Terrace in the late 1960's.)
Sir Rhodes Boyson has died aged 87 after a long illness. A former headmaster with Dickensian mutton chop whiskers and gold fob watch, Boyson was an old-fashioned figure with trenchant views on the three Rs, morning assembly and the cane (among his claims to fame, he was the only white man ever to have beaten Frank Bruno, a former pupil).
Sir Rhodes was a teacher and headmaster before serving in parliament as MP for Brent North from 1974 to 1997.
(29th August 2012) from Linda Batty (nee foster).
My name is Lynda Batty and I was born in Rossendale General and lived first of all in Every St Haslingden, and then in the corner shop at the top of Every St - no. 173 Grane Rd until 1965 when I was 15. I have been doing some family history research since 2000 and as I now live away, and both my parents, although still alive, also live away, I don't get up to Lancashire as often as I would like. My name was Foster before I married and I have a brother Ray who is 5 years younger than me. Our father was Polish but was naturalised. He and my mother both worked in the cotton industry and we have fond memories of life in those early days. I have recently visited Oswaldtwistle Mills and the Helmshore Museum and the pungent smell of cotton fibre is so distinctive! My brother and I used to play along Waterside Rd - the 'Bottoms' we used to call it and sometimes ventured along to Carrs or walked up the little flags to the moor. My brother particularly remembers Todd Hall and we have both heard stories about it but want to know some actual history. Would you be able to provide us with any information, or guide us to where we might do some research?
Just to let you know that I have had a lot of contact with Jackie Ramsbottom and she has greatly helped me with my family research. My grandfather was Fred Hargreaves and my grandmother's maiden name was Lilian Nuttall. She had a sister Annice who was sadly burned aged 7 in 1902. Apparently they lived at Coal Hey then. I have heard the name but can't place where this is. Jackie found a newspaper article about Annice's death but at present is still researching where she is buried. She is not in Holden cemetery or St James's or Musbury. We now think it is either the Congregational Church opposite Coal Hey or the nearby Ebenezer Baptist church. I know the Ebenezer Baptist church on Bury Rd - is this the same one? Can you advise me about both churches near Coal Hey and how I might find out about burials there?
We would be very grateful.
Can anyone help Lynda with this if so please pass on information to me at: email@example.com and I will gladly pass it on direct to Lynda. Thank you.
Hi Mog, Well it paid off because here is a photo of the Medics from Rising Bridge featuring Geoff Kenyon and the boys. Incredible really how this photo arrived, I was speaking to someone who was out yesterday with Bryan Webster and when I told them about him being in a group years ago, they phoned him and I spoke with Brian who kindly obliged with a photo.
(3rd August 2012) from John Sumner.
Through your blog can I appeal for any pictures or information on a row of houses off Laneside Rd.
They were set back off the road more or less opposite what is now Sizehouse village & backed on to Grane mill ??.
I think there was about 5 or 6 houses. I have now found out they were called the "Lonsdale Buildings".
My family had 3 of the houses in the row in the early 60s. I can recall them still being there in the late 60s early 70s although derelict ( we used to play in them instead of going to school).
(10th October 2012 - Jackie Ramsbottom has sent in the photo below which could well be the houses you mention in your email:
(11th October 2012 from Bryan Yorke)
Just noticed your second mail and glad to know that you can now confirm they are the "Lonsdale Buildings".
(11th October 2012 from John Sumner Hi Bryan
As soon as I saw the photo I knew, but just needed that confirmation to be 100% certain. Be nice if I could find a pic of the other 1/2 of the street. Also may be of interest to you.
At the bottom of the street slightly to the left there was a running spring which used to come from the fields which we used to drink from as kids.
(2nd August 2012) from John R. Edwards. Hi Bryan
As a boy going to St James' School, I passed Haslingden Fire Station in Regent St. every day. Sometimes, on the way home, there would be a fireman cleaning the station or the fire engine. Being an inquisitive child I used stop and watch and ask questions, eventually I was able to just go in and talk to the fireman - it was usually the same one, Mr Wade, one day during the school holidays he offered me a child's dream - a ride on the front seat of the engine. I was thrilled to bits as we went from the fire station all the way to the bus shed ( a couple of hundred yards) at the bottom of John St. to fill up the fuel tank. The engine was a Braidwood design carrying a wheeled escape on a Leyland chassis and it had a name plate inscribed 'Watson' just under the windscreen on the bonnet. There was also an Austin Towing Vehice housed at the back of the station, along with a towed fire pump. Sometimes when at home nearby, or out in the town, I would hear the siren sound and off I would run to the station to find out where the fire was (the first man into the station had to ring to Accrington to find out the address and repeat it, that's how I found out the address) and follow the engine, or sometimes, dash off to the site of the fire, if it was nearby, and beat the engine to it. A policeman would on occasion jump onto the engine at the Big Lamp, having run down from Hargreaves St. Police Station.
Sunday mornings was practice time and the firemen would put up the wheeled fire escape to the roof of the Public Hall. After drills or a fire the hose had to be dried in the tower, this was an almost hidden tower as the bottom of it was in the basement and didn't show above the roofline of the Public Hall.
Incidentally, these childhood activities didn't have the slightest influence on me joining the Fire Service years later, and at the selection interviews met Mr Wade's son Robert, and we both served at Accrington Fire Station for a while.
John R Edwards
(reply from Bryan Yorke - I remember Mr. Wade being the leading fireman, and also as a youngster was friendly with his son "Bobby" whom you refer to above. Although I havn't seen Bobby since being a teenager I did hear somewhere that he at one time was working on the "Antartic Exploration Ship". The family used to live on Brook Street just off Hud Hey and Mrs. Wade was a very well known piano teacher.)
(1st August 2012) from Andrea Fell (nee Jenkinson)
I was looking for old pictures of Haslingden and Helmshore, as I lived in Helmshore as a child.....from birth in 1971 to 1982. I was 11 when I moved out of the area, but my grandparents and great aunt still lived there until their deaths. They lived on Rising Bridge Road. My grandad was Joseph Jenkinson, who ran Rossendale Chain and Block, along with my great grandad, John Kay (his father in law). You mention a "Jack" that took over when my grandad retired.....I remember my grandad talking about him and I think he was called Jack Bell. My grandma, Dora Jenkinson (nee Kay) was the Sunday School teacher at Welsey Church in Haslingden and her sister Mary Kay, was the church organist......I think my Auntie Mary is in one of the photos in the Wesley Church and Panto photos. My mum, Mary Fell (nee Jenkinson), is helping to carry the "Primary" banner in the photo of the Walking Day walk. She went on to marry my dad (Brian Fell from Clitheroe) in 1970 at Welsey Church......just before the church closed and then was demolished.Sadly my grandad Joseph, died in 1999. My mum Mary, died in 2007 and my grandma Dora died in 2010. I think my Auntie Mary died in the 1980s, but I cannot remember when.I visited my grandparents every week and remember Kenyon's Bakery in the 1970s delivering to their house every week - the bread always smelt lovely in the van!Thank you for helping me remember lovely memories and good luck with your website in the future.
(from Bryan Yorke 1st August 2012)
Thanks so much for your email. I have very fond memories of all who you mention in particular Mrs. Jenkinson (your Gran), like you said she was the Sunday School teacher at the Wesley Church and a very lovely lady. I was especially saddened to hear that you lost your mother Mary in 2007, I knew Mary also from growing up in the Hud Hey area and also from our school days. I also remember her older sister Christine. I did also hear that Christine may have also passed away a few years back now. I can still remember Mary Kay also who played the organ. I can remember Mr. Jenkinson, a tall man who drove (I think!) a Jag.
I too remember that "Kenyons" confectioners mobile shop and your right about the "lovely aromas". It was on a Saturday morning when they came round Rising Bridge Road and Hud Hey and I couldn't wait to get my "ice buns" or their "so special" trifles.
It was great to hear from you.
and all the very best,
(31st July 2012) from Sandra Scott (ex pat from Perth, Australia)
Just want to say thanks for putting together such a great site - I've lived in Perth Australia these last 17 years, and before that travelled around a fair bit, and I never felt home-sick til I found your site! I was born and bred in haslingden, went to st Mary's infant school on bury rd then to hassy primary and hassy secondary modern - changed to hassy high in my third year - we lived at station brew out Blackburn rd for the first two years of my life so I have faint memories of the train station and Carr hall, then moved down to flaxmoss, then we later moved uptown to grane rd then Victoria st - I used to bemoan the demise of haslingden since the "new bypass" and the "modernization" of the town, so seeing your site warms my heart and stirs great memories of when we were kids running around the moors, along the railway lines and going "up street" with my mum to the vg after Woolworths moved on! Them were the days :)Thanks again for doing such a great job, much appreciated! Cheers Sandra Scott
(31st July 2012) from Sue Ashton (ex pat from Crete)
Hi Bryan I've just caught upon the blog after being away for a few months - still as interesting as ever! I noticed that David Rothwell added some photographs on the 4th May of various school trips. On picture 5 he has an "unknown" between Angela Maddocks and me - it's Carol Ramsbottom. I must say it's not a very flattering photograph of some of us!! RegardsSue Ashton
(27th July 2012) from Mrs. Ruth Lord.
My good friend is an old boy of Haslingden Grammar School and he has been trying to recall where precisely the wartime summer camps were held, when boys and staff helped farmers by picking peas etc.
He thinks it was in the Bickerstaffe area and that they got there by train, walking from Ormskirk station.
This would have been about 1943.
I should be most grateful for any information such as the name and location of the farm(s) they worked on, so I can pass this on to my friend.
Ruth Lord (Mrs)
(25th July 2012) from Michael Mullaney
The next photograph taken from Haslingden Old Railway Station shows the view of the rear of Whittaker Terrace, Blackburn Road, Haslingden.
There were a great many examples in Haslingden of terraced properties built in this manner, adapted as they were to the natural slopes and terraces of the valley side. The terrace which was financed by the local firm of Whittakers Solicitors is divided horizontally. The upper section comprises of back-to-back houses, the front accessible from pavement level on Blackburn Road. The reare properties accessed by way of a cantilevered walkway from each end and a ginnel in the centre.
The lower section is of the back-to-earth design, that is, the back wall of the property was built into the natural rock. The lower properties were accessed by way of stone steps at each end and a steep stepped ginnel in the centre. Known as the 99 steps. This also acted as a short cut from the Top o’th Town for workers to the mills which ran along the valley bottom. Toilets were in the small lean-to at each end and in out buildings at the lower level. No property had any through ventilation.
The Bottom photograph: Corner of King Street and Chapel Street.
Wesleyan Chapel and Sunday School. Only a few slab gravestones mark the place where this Chapel and its small cemetary used to be.
Michael has kindly sent in lots of photographs, most of which are now filed within the "Photo Album" section in the left pane. There are some captions here which are to go with the photos in the "Photo Album". Trust you can match up OK. Also Michael has kindly sent in six photos of St. Marys RC Students now filed in the appropriate blog.
Here are some of the captions to go with his photos in the "Photo Album".
Lower Lane Photograph (Once one of the main routes into the town from the Kings Highway to the Parish Church. All roads started and ended at the Church, it was the visual focal point for miles around. Haslingden Brewery (Baxters) was opposite at the top of Spring Lane.
Back Pleasant Street Photo - Viewed from Bury Road through to Deardengate.
Built around 1750 these were back-to-back properties. They adjoined properties in Hindle Street. There was a natural drop between Hindle Street and Back Pleasant Street. At the far end of the terrace there were some cellar dwellings whilst at the top end the cellars were semi sunken. The two large stone supports sticking out from the middle of the row were there to support a large tank which would collect rainwater from the roof. The small lean-to originally housed two toilets for the residents.
Church Street, corner of Hargreaves Street Photo.The top property in this sorry looking block is The Bird in Hand public house. Teddy Berry the Marine Salvage Expert as was the official title, better known as rag tatters or rag and bone man lived in one of the shops. There was also a clogger’s shop Whiteside’s where you could still get handmade clogs up until the late 1950s. Across the street was Goldsworthy’s Herbalist shop. You could take a personal item from a sick person to him and he would diagnose the health issue and prescribe the appropriate herbs to return the patient to the best of health.
(25th July 2012) from John Sumner.
An aunt has asked me to appeal through your blog for any any information regarding a working mens club in Carrs village. I have attached her email....
I remember when I lived down Carrs. One of the neighbours showed me a photo in sepia of what used to be a workingmens club.
It was situated at the top of Smithies st. behind what was then a barn belonging to Cafferties farmers.It nestled on the hillside on sunnybank hill. In the war they dug trenches on that hill. I saw the remains of the foundations of the workingmens club.
There is no reference to this building anywhere that I know of.
I tried to find out long ago but there appears to be no photo`s of it other than the one I saw around early 50`s.the club or whatever must be about mid or early 18 century or even 17`th century. I have pondered about it ever since.
(23rd July 2012) John R. Edwards
A Snippet about "Victoria and Union Mills" and a guy called "William Robinson".
"When I worked ar Robinsons Union Mill, there was in the office of Mr Law, the manager, a curved "copperplate" used for printing, embossed with a line drawing of the Victoria and Union Mills below the logo Wm. Robinson (Haslingden) Ltd. 1894, this used to be used to print the letterheads for their business mail. The Victoria mill had burnt down many years before. The same fate happened to Union Mill, in the late 1960's - early 70's. I had left in 1965 and worked at Accrington Fire Station.
Just remembered - this snippet from my time there, as an apprentice tackler - I was not laid off when they were on short time.
One of the weavers was called William Robinson - really- who was partially deaf, he told me this tale; that when he went to sign on he was asked what his name was, when he said it, he was told, "no not where you work, what is your name?" He repeated it and they said "yes we know where you work, What is your name?".
John R. Edwards.
(20th July 2012) John Sumner
Through your blog can I appeal for any information regarding the shale bank on the playground at Rising Bridge.
I do know there was a brickyard there and thats why it go it's nickname the brickie.
No one seems to know much about it and wondered whether the two where connected or is it natural.
This has been an enigma for me for many years as it showed signs of working but for what?
Once again thanks for producing such a mine of information.
(reply- 20th July 2012): from Bryan Yorke. Thanks John. What I can tell you is that I was led to believe the Slag Heaps where the actual "spoils" from the tunnelling, when Nuttalls built the large diameter tunnel which is part of the mains tunneling for what carries the "drinking water" which comes from the Lake District and ends up in Manchester. I cant be exact on where it goes (the tunnel), although I did myself work on the "pipelines" over in Great Harwood and Altham", but I think it goes somewhere in the Stonefold areas and or under Cribden and joins another tunnel at Brynbella (Nr. Rawtenstall). I do hope there may be someone out there who could help you with the information you require.)
(reply - 21st July 2012: from John R. Edwards.
My uncle, Johnny O'Leary, worked on the Brynbella section, I remember him calling in our house regularly, on his way to and from the Swan Hotel on the corner of Church St/Big lamp. The shaft was dug opposite Union Rd. on Haslingden Rd. The one at Rising Bridge was indeed where the children's park is now and behind is the spoil heap.
Jimmy Ryan was a chap who used to go to the Trades Club who also told tales of the days when he used to work at Brynbella, and the scrapes he got out of - like the time he dropped a wheelbarrow full of materials down the shaft and promptly went to the nearest pub and claimed it as his alibi - a lesser punishment followed.
Here is a google link for the Haweswater Aquaduct: http://www.engineering-timelines.com/scripts/engineeringItem.asp?id=888
John R Edwards
(18th July 2012) Email received from Sandra Taylor (nee Lees)
Vine Grove Works, Commerce Street, (Booth Street?) Haslingden 1960's perhaps?
I wondered if you have any knowledge on the mill pictured above. It has been the home of Planned Maintenance (Pennine) Ltd for the last 30 years and before that to Rossendale Chain and block. It is situated directly below St James Church on the old part of Carrs. Strangely there is a rather large stone holding the place up inside that says 'Victoria Mill 1853' but no one has ever heard of a mill with that name in the area and thought you may be able to throw some light on it. I would be interested to know if it originally had a chimney and what was its original purpose.
I would like to say well done and thanks for a fabulous encylopedia of Haslingden's history. I was born at no 4 Regent Street opposite the Trades Club 50 years ago - the youngest of 4 children, 2 brothers Doug, Brian (Flogger) and sister Yvonne Lees. Our Mum and Dad, who have both passed away (Beryl and Jim Lees RAF WW2) rented the house off George Sagar and his wife who also owned the haberdashery shop at the top of Deardengate in the early 1970's. No 2 and 4 Regent Street are one and the same building have a long history starting off as the town Police Station and later becoming the Post Office. It was a School of Music according to the 1901 census.
Sandra Taylor (nee Lees)
Hi Sandra, I seem to have read somewhere that there was a "Paghouse" Mill on this site at one time, and also I feel I have somewhere a scan of a etching which appeared in the old "London Gazette" regarding a fire which was started by the Power Loom Riots. I will try and find this and post later (Now posted below). In more modern times I do remember the Rossendale Chain and Block having it and it was owned and managed by Mr. Kay and Mr. Jenkinson. Then later I noticed it was owned by Jack who had a "water pump" firm, and I think since Jack retired, his sons have taken over the works.
20th July 2012 - Also kindly received from Jacqueline Ramsbottom -
Just read the e.mail regarding Vine Mill and Victoria Mill on the website.
A few years ago I did some research for the people at Rossendale Chain and block and this was confirmed in Mike Rothwells Book on Industrial Heritage. I have scanned the relevant pages for you which may explain.
Have a picture somewhere from the 1950's but can't find it at the moment.
21st July 2012 Reply from Margaret Clegg (nee Gowers) from Dorset.
"Just been pleasently surprised by your blog, it's wonderful especially the photos and information about the shops in Dearndengate, which I have written about in my memoirs. I also included the ones at the top of the town across from the Original Big Lamp, the ones up Church street Regent Street and Bury Road not forgetting Marsden Square,Chaple Street Hindle street George Street and the rest. My name was Margaret Gowers and we lived at number 3 Bell Street, the top of the town was our playground. My memoirs have been written for my children and their children but your photos put add a different dimension to them. I would like to say hello to Sandra Taylor (Lees) I remember when she was born in fact I have just sent a photo of one of my younger brothers Colin which included Sandra and was taken in the back yard we shared with their family and the Dewhurst family. Happy days.
From Margaret Clegg nee Gowers now living in Dorset.
(18th July 2012) Email received from John Sumner.
Elsie berry was a family friend & I used to visit her house regularly.
I would have been about 12 - 13 at the time.
I can't remember why I used to go round think it may have been errands for my mother. Either to drop something off or pick something up.
All I recall is going round every week.
She lived on Peel St on the right near the bottom.
Your correspondent was correct about having a goitre on her neck but as i recall used to keep it covered with a headscarf.
If I remember correctly elsie always wore a headscarf but i'm not sure about that.
Elsies home was completely different to her shop as it was usually quite tidy but cluttered.
Lived in is the better description.
The one thing I do remember was the distinctive smell in her home. Wasn't a horrible smell but kind of sweet but sickly but it was always the same smell.
One thing was certain whenever I went round it was guaranteed you were made welcome & always insisted on making sure you had a cup of tea before you left.
Elsie as I recall always had time for everyone & enjoyed a good chat.
We lost contact when we moved away from Haslingden & often wondered about her.
Strange how the mention of a name brings back memories.
(25th May 2012) from Mog Stevenson (ex pat from Kent)
Received this email from Mog, requesting information on the late Geoff Kenyon's Rock Band, and any information would be well received. Hello Bryan. Been reading you in Haslingden old and New. An old friend of mine. Geoff Kenyon sang in a band from Haslingden about 1964/65 time. He lived at Rising Bridge at the time. Sadly Geoff passed away a couple of months ago but I cant see any information regarding him in your info. I remember seeing them play at the Con in Accrington and I believe he sang The Byrds/Dylans Mr Tamborine Man. Do you remember his or the band he played in.
Thanks for your time. Mog Stevenson.
(21st May 2012) from Alan Robinson
Alan has got fond memories of Carrs, where he grew up, and he has kindly sent in four photos of family members etc. The top photo is: Peter and Janice Robinson taken on Commerce Street. The 2nd down is Hazel Robinson (was Greenwood) on the right whilst Pat Robinson is on the left. The third down is: Hazel Robinson and son Peter taken on Commerce Street. And the bottom photo is Hazel & Glen at Lamberts Mill and can possibly be presumed its something to do with a Ladies Cricket Team, because they can be seen holding a bat. I will shortly file these photos under the Carrs Blog.
(17th May 2012) from Dave Rothwell.
Hi Bryan - Just a couple of (starter Pictures) of the demolition of the old TMM Research factory in Helmshore to make way for new housing.I am sure they will be of interest to ex employees of the factory who have perhaps moved away.When I lived in Helmshore (1960-1963) I used to pal out with a lad who's father was a research scientist employed there. He was forever constructing intricate models of textile machinery on the family dining table. He also built a very nice canoe which I still possess ! They moved away but maybe he reads the blog. The lads name was Peter Cole and they lived on Broadway opposite the old wooden pavilion on the Grammar School playing fields ( the school at that time still being on Bury Road).Will send more updates as the work progresses.Very kind regards,Dave Rothwell
(8th May 2012) from Bryan Gudgeon,
Hello Bryan, I was told about the Haslingden Old and New site yesterday. You have an email from an Ian Warburton asking for a 'before the fire " picture of the school. I saw the picture he describes, about 5 years ago, on the wall in the Head Teacher's office, at an open day for old pupils. I went back a few days later with my camera....picture attached.
During my time there, about 1941 to 1948, the groundfloor wall to the left of the centre of the picture, with the 3 small windows was not there. There was just a low wall about 'sitting-on' height. If anyone wants a higher quality version of the picture ( 7 Mbytes ) I will send them one. ............Bryan Gudgeon. (If you do want a larger resolution please contact: firstname.lastname@example.org
Response from Bryan Yorke 8th May 2012 - Thanks Bryan for managing to get this and now save it for posterity, thats really great sending this in, and I along with Ian and many more will be and are "chuft to bits" to see this. What a beautiful work of art! and hats off to the draughtsman or Architect responsible.. As I mentioned in my mail back to you I attended the same school from about 1953 for the next 10/11 years. And the area you mention was then also just a small low wall of sitting height and we would climb over or go through the front side into a open sort of area with iron stantions, which sort of propped up the heads office above it. Also the area to the left did not exists, probably this is what the new plans referred too. Because has I remember you went up the steps which by the way were facing the "Church" in a North direction and then this was a small flagged play area which at the top uppermost boundary had a little "nook" of about one metre wide and about 12ft long. You can click here if you wish to view a larger resolution.(4th May 2012) Dave Rothwell -
Has kindly sent in the following photos which are now included in the photo album.
Top photo: St James C of E School trip to Coventry Cath around 1963/64 - Pictured in centre is David Clayton with left Pamela Barlow and right Roger Woods and just seen in the background facing camera with a striped dress is Judith Brooks who's dad was the Rossendale Education Officer.2nd photo down: St James Cof E trip to Liverpool and although I dont know the childrens names at the top of the slope you can see left the St. James C of E headteacher Mr. Lloyd and the senior class teacher Mr. (Cyril?) Grimes.
3rd photo down: St James C of E trip to Liverpool and Birkenhead in 1964 - I cant remember all the names but kneeling l/r is John Riley whose dad had Rileys grocers on Manchester Road and Stewart Smith, Standing l/r 3rd from left Roger Woods, 6th from left Ian Hargreaves, 7th Phillip Collins, 8th John Dakin.
4th photo down: Haslingden Grammar School Camp at Tenby in 1968 and shows l/r: David Clayton, John Clayton, Stewart Smith, Roger Woods and back to camera is Derek Sowerby.
Fifth and bottom: Haslingden Grammar School Camp approx 1968 and l/r John Clayton, Roger Woods, Angela Maddox, Carol Ramsbottom, Susan Ashton (nee Wardle) and looking in from the rh side is Ian Edmondson.
(2nd May 2012) Email from John McGuire - Victoria, Australia.
I have been reading the Blog for the past few years and the articles have been very interesting and nostalgic. I attended college in Bolton with John Entwistle of the Swinging Hangmen and later at Haslingden Grammar with John R
Edwards (which article did he contribute to the blog?). I also went to St Mary’s RC with John Bedford, thanks for the school photos John. My great Aunt and Uncle Mary and George Horlock rate a mention in the article about Carrs village.
The purpose of this email is to relate a story told to me by that legendary rag and bone man, Georgie Berry.
Georgie was my great Uncle and I used to visit him in his Church St house. By that time of course Teddy had taken over the business. I last visited him just before emigrating to Australia in 1964 (Could someone provide more details of the fire in which Chris Reid asserts Georgie died)..He recalled his glory days tatting in Haslingden and his arch rival Ezra Mahoney. Ezra Marney ,as he was known in the local patois, had a yard in a paddock between the top church and Spring lane. He stabled his donkey there.
Their rivalry for the local trade was intense and Georgie was exhilarated to read in the Free Press one day that Ezra Marney had fallen over a wall at his yard and sustained a broken neck from which he eventually died. Needless to say he was bitterly disappointed when he later found out that Marney’s donkey was also named Ezra and it was the donkey and not the man that had died.
Keep up the good work,
2 Mulkarra Drive,
Chelsea, Victoria 3196
(30th April 2012) Email from Graham Sumner
I have just come across your blog Haslingden Old and New. The part that interested me the most was the section about Haslingden St. James Church Lads’ Brigade.
I can tell you that the Haslingden St. James Church Lads’ Brigade was started on the 20th December 1901.
As a member of the Church Lads' and Church Girls' Brigade Historical Group, who is researching the Brigade in the Blackburn Diocese and Church Lads’ Brigade War Memorials, I would like to ask you for some assitance.
I have a copy of a booklet about the St. James C.L.B. which was written by Jack Whittaker, and in this he mentions a Roll of Honour to members of the Company who served during the 1914 – 1918 war, which was in the Company Headquarters. Do you know if this Roll of Honour still exists or if there is a photograph of it of which I could obtain a copy?
Also mentioned in the booklet is an Officer called J. T. Haworth who had been the Head teacher of St. James school, could you by any chance tell me what his names where.
I would also be interested in any more information about St. James C.L.B. and or copies of any photographs.
I also remember John Stanton, although I was a member of the Church Lads’ Brigade in Preston.
(30th April 2012) Email from Mike Duckworth
Hi there My name is Mike Duckworth, i'm researching my family tree and looking back at our family and at the time of the 1881 census my ancestors worked as cotton workers, they lived in bacup but i think worked in haslingden maybe at the duckworth clough mill,i read your blog about it and saw pictures (what could be family members) and was wondering if maybe you could help me out and name workers that worked or maybe owned the place, as nearly all family members worked in the same place.... any help would be a great help thanks alot mike
If you can help you can email Mike direct on: email@example.com if you want to check out the Duckworth Clough Mill Blog please click here.
(18th April 2012) Email from Sue Ashton (nee Wardle) of Crete
I have just been reading the email from Ian Warburton on the Haslingden blog, where he says about a picture - "after the fire", dated 8th February 2012, has been printed back to front (that one had me baffled for a while ! ! )". So I flipped it over and how right he is! I thought my memory had been failing me until then as to where the infant department was. The zebra crossing which is now on the left convinced me. I have attached a copy of the flipped image.
(13th April 2012) Email kindly received from Ian Warburton who is also trying to obtain a photo of the Haslingden St. James C of E School.
Bryan, hi it's Ian Warburton. I, like you, am desperate to find photographs of Haslingden St James' School before the fire. They are very rare. I spent some of the best days of my life in that building, at primary school, church functions, Sunday school, youth club, walking days, carnivals, etc. and it is really frustrating that there is no record of it. By the way the Jackie Ramsbottom and Brian Smith photo on the web-site, "after the fire", dated 8th February 2012, has been printed back to front (that one had me baffled for a while ! ! ) The best picture I ever saw was an architects impression of the building which was hanging on the wall in the new school corridor a few years ago. It captured the building perfectly. It was drawn as if hovering over Blackburn Road looking down at an angle showing the whole front side of the school. It was about 3 foot by 2 foot in size. I have enquired at the school and nobody knows where it's gone. Anyway good luck with your search. Mine will never cease. Best Regards, Ian Warburton
(13th April 2012) Email kindly received from Dick Bateman of Chapel-en-le-Frith. In regards to Miss Mary Nevin teacher at Haslingden St. Marys School in the early 1920s.
"Hi there, I've enjoyed your blog - well done! One name brought me to it, that of Miss Nevin, the young teacher pictured with the class "in the early 1920s". If it's the Miss Mary Nevin I think it is, she was born in Accrington in 1903, and was my Infants 2 teacher at St Mary's RC Primary School in Worthing, Sussex in 1957. The fact that I reported to my Mum one day that Miss Nevin had read a story to us all about Peter Pan and Captain "Hoook" - rhyming it with Luke - would seem to indicate that she was one and the same. That's not how we pronounced it in Sussex!Anyway, I realise that you are unlikely to know anything more about Miss Nevin, but thought I'd share this with you, just so that you know that such resources as yours bear fruit in very unexpected places!
Dick Bateman (Born and brought up in Worthing, now in Chapel-en-le-Frith, Derbyshire)
(9th April 2012) Email kindly received from Angela Hall originally from Carrs. Now included within the Carrs Village Blog: (9th April 2012)
Hi Bryan, I lived at No.21 Commerce Street in 1962/64. I was married to Harry Moore whose mother lived at 48 Blackburn Road, Haslingden. Harry's brother, Bernard Moore and his wife, Barbara lived at No.9. They had a son, Phillip. My daughter, Jackie was born at the same time as Kash and Madge's son. Kash, and we used to walk up Prinny Hill to take the babies to the clinic. Mr & Mrs. Robinson lived next door with their granddaughter. I enjoyed reading about the village and reminiscining. - Angela Hall.
(1st April 2012) Photos of Haslingden Cricket Club & also a photo of Haslingden Co-op Store, Townsend Street.
If you click on the links below, there is a couple of photos kindly sent in by John Bedford.
The first one is of Co-op Shop, Townsend Street, c1926. Left to right: R.A HAWORTH, D.M DEWHURST and M A TITHERINGTON (larger version click here)
And the second photo is of Haslingden Cricket Club Team c1927. (larger version click here)
Back Row: Dick Trickett (Treasurer, Fred Kay, Arthur Blackburn, Leslie Warburton, Albert Rhodes, Dick Watson, Franc Edwards (professional), Walter Pilkington (Scorer)
Front Row: Francis McWade, George Haworth, Jimmy Brierly, Ted Riley, Billy Lees, Jimmy Ashworth (captain).
(16th Mar 2012 update of 7th Feb 2012) Haslingden Darts Tournament
I have just added a photo from a Haslingden Darts Tournament, kindly sent in by Jennifer Gavan. (information update: 16th March 2012 as follows:) John Bedford has kindly informed me that it was the 1973-74 team knockout between the Crown and The Great Tree and that the Crown won five-two. It was played at the Workers! - He has also named all the players that night. filed under photo album in left column or to check out the full list of players: from the left: Pete Hayworth, Bobby Lewis, unknown, Arthur Sedgewick, John Castley, Alan Collinson, Mick Machell, Billy Whitcombe, Derek Whittaker, Tony Morley, Jim Pilling (at the back), John Pritchard, Steve Gordon and John Bedford.
(Tuesday March 6th 2012) Email from Anne Astling"Can we help Anne to find information about her great uncle George Henry Tupling whom taught at Haslingden Grammar School between 1908-1943. Any information would be gratefully received by Anne. Her contact details are within the mail below or alternatively contact me and I will gladly pass on any information.
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 4:22 PM
Subject: Haslingden grammar school
Dear Bryan Yorke,
Bob Dobson has given me your email address subsequent to a study day of the Federation for Lancashire Local History at Lancaster the other weekend which was "in appreciation of George Henry Tupling" who was my great uncle. GHT taught at Haslingden from 1908-1943, and I understand you run a website for the school. It may be that you have among your contacts there are individuals who remember him. It would be lovely to have some reminiscences of him: I believe he was well thought of - though I am aware that he could also be quite severe on occasion. I would like to have a "rounded portrait" of him!
Family historian: Taplen-Tupling One-Name Study (www.ttons.org.uk )
(Guild of One-Name Studies www.one-name.org )
Author of "Tapestry: the story of a Victorian businessman" ( a biography of Thomas Tapling 1818-1882) published 2010
Co-author of "The Village on the Hill: a glimpse of Victorian Wrawby" published 2000
Editor of "Wrawby at War 1914-1918" published 2010
Many thanks for your email and it will be a great pleasure to include this request within the blog and hopefully someone may come back with information that will help you.
Have you by any chance a photograph I could include? if so this would be very welcome. I have gone through all my photos on the HGS but dont seem to be able to find any of GHT but I know for a fact there must be lots about.
Also I would just like to add, that I dont actually run a website for the HGS and to be honest with you I dont know if they do have a website. In relation to the HGS content within my blog (Haslingden Old and New) it is just odd bits and pieces, together with kind contributions sent in by ex pupils of the HGS with some kind donated photos etc.
Hope we get some help for you.
(Response: from Arthur Keown on 30th May 2013)
Although lacking in some detail, maybe this will give Anne some pleasure from a person who was in the final year of Dr. Tupling at H.G.S.,
Although I am now 83, I remember with affection the contribution of Dr. Tupling to the academic life of the school. At that time he taught me over a period of about two years before he left and I will always remember the love and depth of his subject. As a teacher of History, he inspired his pupils and H.G.S. was very fortunate to have such a kind and inspiring person and a gifted teacher for such a long period of time.
I think Anne will find a photo of Dr. Tupling on one of the early photos.
Please Bryan, I should be pleased if you will forward this email to Anne Astling,
Best Wishes, Arthur.
(9th Feb 2012) Email from Louise Whaley.
Can we help Louise to find information on the late Mayor Gertrude Warburton or any of her relations? If you do have any information will you kindly contact me by email (firstname.lastname@example.org) so that I can forward the information to her, thank you.
"Mrs Gertrude Warburton was the Mayor of Haslingden during 1961/62 and she was my great aunt. I'm trying to find out more about our family tree and her life in particular. I'm wondering if a note could be posted on your blog to see if anyone remembers her and has memories (good or bad) that they could post. I have extremely vague memories of when I met her when I was a baby but I think she died soon after. What I don't know is about her family. Do I have other relatives?
I wonder if you are able to assist?
Many thanks in advance
Added (9th February 2012) from Bryan Yorke.
Many thanks for getting in touch and yes I have now gladly put a request on the blog for information on Gertrude or her family.
I was very privileged to have been on the last Haslingden Borough Council of which Alderman Gertrude was also a member, in fact the photo of the full Council of which you can see her sat at the front on the far left hand side, can be seen by clicking here.
I do remember that she was also a County Councillor for a good number of years, and also perhaps even more important, she was also one of the very few who was granted the "Freedom of the Borough".
She did live for a long time in the Well Bank area of Haslingden.
10th February 2012: Email received from Tony Nelson:
We really enjoyed your photos of Haslingden and the railway. My mother (Doreen Rush) was evacuated to Haslingden during the war from Salford and was looking for her old house which was near/in Mill Street opposite the railway sidings. We think the cottages/terraced houses may have been knocked down now. The family worked at the mill which was close by. If you have any ideas please get in touch.
Thank you,Tony Nelson
response (10th Feb 2012):
Hi Tony, I think the area where you mean is Carr Hall Street, which is a row of terraced houses and they are still there today. I havnt got a close up of CHS but have managed to find a distant photo taken from Higher Lane towards Hud Hey. You will notice the old Corporation Yard (sadly in ruins these days) and immediately behind and running paralell you can just make out CHS. Also I have included a photo from Patrick Baker which shows a Bentley Car. Well this photo was actually taken outside a house in Carr Hall Street, and the factory behind is what was Clough End Mill, Hud Hey Road, Haslingden and I think this maybe the Mill you refer to. Also ask her if she remembers Mrs. Porters Shop on the corner of CHS and Hud Hey, she made fabulous pies and custards.
Following on I am now wondering if it is Back Carr Mill Street, you mean, because these have definately been knocked down and were near the sidings (see photo on the left with white arrow showing were Back Carr Mill Street was. This being the case the closest mill would have been Carr Mill (textiles (in the 40s and then Mascos - Felt (during the late 50s and 60s, and then Shepherd Bros timber from the mid 60s and during the 70s.)or could it have still been the Clough End Mill has outlined above, because this is still only perhaps 100 yards from the properties. I do remember before the houses where knocked down: there was Mr and Mrs. Knight up in the corner, and also on the same row, was little Annie Rowe who tragically died in the floods, and there was also a Polish guy called Andrew in another of the houses. Cant remember who was in the other house. Sadly no photos...
A email yesterday received from Sue Ashton in Crete, kindly offering her memories of No.1 Deardengate. I will shortly include this within the Deardengate West Blog, thanks Sue.....Hi Bryan
I have been re-reading your blog from February 2009 eg:
"Starting at No.1 Deardengate (Market Place End on the West Side), I remember this in my childhood as a wool/haberdashary sort of shop and was run by Miss Dawson. (see photo top right), then later probably within the 1970s, it was taken over by Michael Kay who partnered with Syd & Pat Barnes when they had it has Top O'Th Town Studio and they sold paintings and did picture framing etc from here.""I have a vague recollection of going to that shop in my childhood - around 50 years ago, late 50s, early sixties - and I think it was being run by Elsie Berry. I think she had moved from Lower Deardengate. I remember going up a few steps and seeing her sitting at her sewing machine - she had, in my child's mind, a huge neck - I think I heard it was a goitre but I don't know how true that is. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm mistaken. My mother used to buy her knitting wool there - she used to have it "put away" and then collect it a few balls at a time, as needed. You can't imagine being able to do that nowadays, can you!Keep up the good work with the blog - I pass many a winter evening here in Crete reading it and reminiscing about my younger days!"Regards
Sue AshtonAnd here is another email kindly received today from Michael Carr (Doctor Carr's son), thanks Mike, I will add to the Doctors Blog shortly.
"Good afternoon Bryan.
I grew up in Haslingden and lived there until 1966 when at the age of eight the family moved to the North East.
So why my discord to you? – well my father was a doctor and had his practice in Haslingden at No.4 Helmshore Road.
He may also be remembered for being the local Conservative Councillor and we have many press cuttings from his days; it seemed the local papers were plastered with his picture all the time or maybe we were just a big nepotistic! Lol!
My father, alas died some ten years ago at the age of 85 and now rests quietly on a hillside in Southern Eire. Mother was/is some twenty years younger than may Dad and still lives happily there.
Being such a young child alas I don’t have many memories but a few ….
· Getting into trouble for picking tar out of the cobbled street and pocketing it
· Fr McCloughlin the local Parish Priest (still alive)
· Dr Henry Leahy – also from Eire – he also had a practice in Haslingden – I know he retired back there.
· Cordingley’s Garage – my favourite haunt (still car mad to this day)
· Holland’s Pies
· The swimming pool
There you are…. thanks for the memories.
Mike.12th June 2011 1122hrs: added mail from John Taylor:Good Morning
Re the area of Deardengate below, just before the British Legion was Mill's toy shop in the late 50's. Also Sue Ashton is right Elsie Berry did run a wool shop in lower Deardengate and the notable think was the absolute 'tip' it was how she every found anything was a marvel, but she did !
(My parents had 'Taylor's Corner Cafe' at 101 Deardengate till the early 60's then my father owned 'The Disk' at 28 Deardengate till 1975) You have had info from my brother 'snighole' !!!!
I was at Haslingden Secondary Modern 1959 to 1963 !
John************************************************************************************12th June 2011 1119hrs: added mail from Victoria Nuttall:
I have been looking through your website and have found it really interesting. I live on Blackburn Road and have delved into the history of my house. The only thing I cant find out is whether my house has/had a cellar. We have been carrying out some internal work and discovered 3 stone steps under the main staircase, I want to carry on digging but the other half is a little less enthusiastic. I have looked through all the old pictures of Blackburn Road on your site hoping I might see an old piccie of my house, but none there!
I live at number 175 (it is midterraced of about 5 - elevated from the road, on the left going into Haslingden) would you remember if they had coal doors/chutes to the front of the houses?
many thanks for any info you could give
Vicky ********************************************************************************* 9th June 2011 1902hrs: added a photo from 1911 of Britannia Mill (Weavers Decorations) (from Clifford Hargreaves).
(Click here to see photo) and accompanied with this mail:
Hi Bryan, My sister and I are not sure, but the smallest of the two boys on the front row could possibly be be our father, as he bears a strong resemblance to photos of him when he was in the army.We do know he worked in the cotton industry before the war and the date fits.
Clifford. *****************************************************************************10th January 2012 0837hrs: Here is a email from Chris Reid, with some of his memories of helping out Teddy Berry on the Rag & Bone Cart: Hi Bryan my name is chris reid i went to school and lived in haslingden from 1963/4 to about 1976, i used to help drive and work the last rag and bone cart in haslingden which belonged to Teddy Berry. his son and daughter are both still living in haslingden i believe. his daughter shirley (nuttal) still lives on sunny bank street his son Duncan i am not sure of his current address. I am sure they may have some valueable photos as their grandad george used to have a shop on church st next to the bird in hand pub. where the shop burnt down and george died in the fire. They also had stables that linked from the rear of the shop to what is the landleague. i am afraid all i have is memories. As there was no mention of the last rag and bone man i thought i throw my bit.scholl from 1967-71 i have tried through other sites to get a reunion but no luck so far. if i bring any more memories to mind i will let you know. great site.
the photo of the horse and cart loaded with fruit and veg may well have been taken next to the blacksmiths just of hud hey rd i think it was opposite what was sheperds wire factory, the blacksmith was called Bert Marsden. shepherds allso ran a woodyard.
January 20th 2012 - 1432hrs: Email received from Chris Read with some of his Haslingden Memories:If you came up hargreaves st with the police stn on your right at the corner of the street was the old Craven Heifer pub, accross the rd was Mr fittons grocers shop. i think the big lamp was actually placed in ivanovics garden on flaxmoss, it was the same people who made candlewick bedspreads on what was the back of the thorn. i frequented the broken jaw many times. just for the carrs village info, accross from the police station at the bottom junction of hargreaves st which was a boxing /training gym at the time, was a sort of second hand shop, where the people were called norman and may davies who had a daughter called gillian, they moved to carrs i think from birmingham area, norman was joiner by trade.
all the best
January 31st 2012 - 0743hrs: Email received from Rosa in Italy with some Haslingden Memories (Rosa lived in Carr Hall Street as a child)hello, it's rosa, i just about remember all the shops mentioned on blackburn rd.esp.the fruit shop with the hanging banans and grapes and the smell of fish.also the parrafin shop with mr.fred.and of course all the sweet shops,just about remember the chemist's. on deardengate the clarks shoeshop was it not next to the butchers near the co-op,the coalmerchant on blackburn rd.that then moved to church st.a mr.davidson who used to deliver.next was there a flower and fruit shop,mum used to get our flower posies there for the whitsunday processions.then later at the end of the row there was a father and son run shop,where we used to buy jeans and bellbottom pants.