Tuesday 14 October 2008

New Inn - Thorn - (Broken Jaw) and its Courtroom and the Police Lock Up across the road































































The Mary Hindle Resource Centre originally was The New Inn which later became the Thorn Hotel (nicknamed by some "The Broken Jaw"). In the old days when it was the New Inn it also served as a Courthouse in the upper room, and across the road was the Police Lock Up (used to be Driver's Newsagents 1960s-1980s). They do say there is a tunnel under the road linking the lock up and courthouse, where they used to bring in the prisoners, ....Below is a photos of the old newsagents/police hold. The Old photo shows the shop in full bunting in celebration of the 1911 Coronation...

I remember working on the roof of this pub many years ago for Wilsons Brewery and I am sure then that it was a flat roof (asphalted) and that the pitch roof and apex fronts where put on in more recent times eg: 1980's... (Click over photos to enlarge).



Photo kindly sent in by Keith Burton, showing what was Drivers Newsagents,
and also at one time, within its cellars there had been cells used for a "Police Lock Up"
whilst they held prisoners ready for the court across the road in the upper floor of the New Inn

"Notes from Michael Mullaney 6th August 2014"
Hi Bryan,
Small comment on Drivers Newsagents shop. "Before it was a shop it was the local lockup.  I delivered newspapers for John Driver in 1957/58 and in the cellar there were still the remains of some of the cells and chain links fixed to the walls.
Johns father old man Driver who had the shop previously also held the position of issuing Hawkers Licences which allowed so many Irish immigrants ply their trade as Hawkers.
The shop wasn't like a modern day shop it was simply a galley style passage with counters on three sides.  His customers in the 1950's were mainly local and mill workers always in a hurry,
to accommodate this he knew what all his early morning customers wanted and how much money they would tender, so he would put out ready their daily paper of choice with a packet of 10 cigarettes and the right change.
The customer then just came in, put down the money,  and took their paper, cigs and change without having to bother John who would be busy making up the many paper rounds ready for the paper boys arriving by 6 o'clock.
Slick or what!
Michael.

Email received from Andrew Bridge on 8th April 2015.

Hi Bryan
Firstly, can I say what a brilliant job you do on the blog - it's a fantastic resource for anyone with any interest in the history of the town.

Recently I was reading the page about the Old Thorn pub, which became the Mary Hindle Resource Centre and is now the VIC Centre.

Between 1996 and 2004 I was chairman of the Haslingden Community Forum, later Community Action in Rossendale, and I was involved in preparing the funding applications to refurbish the former pub, and project managing the construction work.  You mention on the page that you remember a flat roof on the property - that's very true.  When the Forum bought the pub in 1998 for £40,000 it did have a flat room and leaked dreadfully.  In fact, it was so bad that the upper floors couldn't be used for anything because they were so damp.  Whilst I have some internal shots of the pub when we bought it in 1997, I don't have any of the roof (I might have an external shot and, if I do, I'll email it to you).

The Forum was lucky enough to secure the services of the Borough Architect (Doug Newton) and his team at Rossendale Borough Council (as part of the matched funding for the project and the Action for Haslingden Single Regeneration Budget programme in the late 1990's and early 2000's).  The architects advised us that it would be cost effective to fit a pitched roof on the building to avoid any future problems, and we got agreement from Howard at the adjoining property that the roof would cover both the old pub and the butchers.  The building opened in summer 2000, complete with the new pitched roof.

I understand, and have seen a photograph to confirm, that the building actually had a third storey with a pitched roof from when it was originally built until some time in the 1960's or 1970's - the actual date I don't know.

I hope that helps viewers of your blog get some background to the roof and why it was fitted.
Keep up the good work!
Best wishes
Andrew Bridge

Email received from Michael Mullaney on 9th April 2015.

Hi Bryan,
The original New Inn was built possibly in the early 1700s of the water shot construction method as a three storey property the upper level was removed at sometime in the late 60s as a cheaper option to repairing the roof.
The New Inn was possibly one of the most important public houses along with the White horse in Church Street.  Later the New Market Hotel in Marsden Square became the venue to be seen at.
The upper level was designed like all the major public houses or hotels of the time as one big open room in which meetings and functions for the numerous organisations in the town
could be accommodated as there were no supporting walls obstructing the open space, plenty of room for feasting on long tables and dancing. 
It was probably in the upper room that the court would have been convened as the only room capable of accommodating all the people who showed interest as well as the officials and their entourage. 
Being the top storey the roof was supported by trusses only which is possibly why it failed due to age and the weight of the stone or grey slates quarried locally being used.
In the 60s and the big open function room was no longer an economical space as no one hired rooms in pubs opting for the more up market country venues for special occasions with many now having their own car.
It was deemed more economical to remove the pitched roof and obsolete upper level replacing it with a new modern image flat roof than to replace like with like.
In the 60s there was a fad with designers and flat roofs. A fad that proved to be ill advised and why later the new flat roof having failed to protect against Haslingden finest rain and wind was replaced with a new pitched roof.
Lacy Court at the other end of Bury road fell foul of the same design fault.  In reality any local builder would tell you that you need a steep pitched roof in Haslingden to shed the rain not a flat trap which will doubtlessly give endless trouble and cost.

Michael



The Thorn, Bury Road.


Sisters Mrs. June Atkins and Mrs Vera Ball on the right who ran the pub for a time.



And now an associated blog

"Mary Hindle"


WHO WROTE THE LETTER? (Written by Lorraine Hooper and giving a summary of her research into the Mary Hindle letter)

In researching my family ancestors, I was given my Grandad Ekes family Bible, in it was the enclosed letter, in a very fragile state, I was told that Great Grandmother was transported for stealing a loaf of bread and some groceries.  Well I read the letter and just couldn't leave it at that, but I couldn't really decide how to go about finding who had written it.  There was no husbands name, she hadn't signed her name, but there was a date and also reference to her little daughter Elizabeth, and that was it! The letter itself folded over as an envelope and on that was a very faint "Geo" and Haslingden, Lancashire.

So began my quest!!  I started trying to work my way back to the date on the letter, down through my different branches, but it was very slow and I was getting nowhere fast, It was really frustrating because this letter had taken over my mind, I just couldn't leave it alone!

So I thought I'd have a go on the internet, which I'd only just got on to.  Well, it was magic!!  I found an Australian convict site, clicked on the female button and a list of numerous ships appeared, I whittled it down to the Harmoney re. the date, clicked on that and there's the list of all the female convicts and where they were tried.  There were two who were tried at Lancaster, Ann Entwistle aged 45 and Mary hindle aged 26.  (Entwistle is one of my family names), but I was more drawn to Mary hindle, because of her age, she seemed more likely to have a young daughter.
Not being sure where to go next, I kept going here and there on the internet but not really getting anywhere, then I thought perhaps there might be a Lancaster Castle site and sure enough there it was.  Click here for the convict trail!  I entered both names and there they were, both tried for rioting! Rioting! that's a bit different than stealing groceries!!

I now had to find a riot in 1826, well that was hard work as well, there was the Luddite riots the riots to do with the Hargreaves Spinning Jenny, (my mother's maiden names was Hargreaves). The Peterloo riots in Manchester, but I hit a brick wall looking for a riot in 1826. By I kept on going back to the internet and finally I found a Lancashire Link list and going down through the historical events, there it was, the 1826 Power Loom Riots, and as I clicked Oh! suddenly saw Mary Hindle! Wh was Mary Hindle?! I couldn't believe my eyes, was I getting paranoid?

No. I clicked on the site and there she was.  There's a Community Centre named after her in Haslingden.  She was sentenced to death with, Ann Entwistle and 8 men, then it was commuted to life in Australia, she left her husband George behind and her 6 year old daughter Elizabeth!!

It said, for more information ring William Turner, who'd written a book called "Riot", so I rang on a Sunday afternoon at 4 0'clock and babbled away my story, he must have wondered who this women from Somerset was, saying she had a hand written letter by Mary Hindle.  I read it out to him, over the phone and reduced him to tears, he only travels around Lancashire giving talks about Mary Hindle and the riots.  Needless to say we are now good friends.

We travelled to Lancashire last year and visited the Mary Hindle Centre, met Bill Turner and presented the letter to the Lancashire Records Office at Preston for safe keeping.

I had a wonderful time finding out who the letter was addressed to and who had written it, the trouble is my family tree seems quite mundane, now!!

PS It turned out, Mary Hindle wasn't my Great Grandmother after all that, she's my cousin Jim Chew's Great Grandmother. 



The Letter  This is the actual letter which Lorraine found in her Grandad Eke's family Bible

 (Sydney, New South Wales, 12th November 1827)
Dear Husband, 
I have taken this opportunity of writing these few lines to you, which I hope that they will find you in good health, as I am toleraby well and healthy at this time.  Thank God for that! We arrived in NEW SOUTH WALES about the 7th October after a long tedious passage of about five months, but we had a tolerably good passage and we was as well treated as I could expect, we had a very kind gentleman for a Doctor which treated us very well, and I was very ill on the passage I was in the hospital nineteen days, I was very bad with my legs swelling through not having any exercise on board of the ship.  But I have got a situation in Sydney, but I have a very hard situation, I have got a great deal of work and the time appears to me to go very slowly and one day appears to me as long as a month and I am very much confined, we are not allowed any liberty to go away from the place where we live, and if we do go away and stop out till eight or nine o'clock we are sure to get put in the WATCHOUSE and very likely to get sent to the factory, a place where they punish the women very severely, but I hope that the God Almighty will give me health and strength to get through all my difficulties,and now I am in a far distant country I hope my dear little ELIZABETH will be took good care of and I hope she is well, for I very often am thinking about her and I should like very much to see her, but God knows whether that ever will be my lot again or not.

Please to give my kind love to my mother and likewise to your father and mother and likewise to my brothers and sisters and all enquiring friends, and I am waiting very anxiously to hear from you my dear husband and I hope and trust that you will try all that lays in your power to get my sentence mitigated for if I thought that you could not get something done for me I think I should die of despair.

Please to give my respects to Mr. Hurst and Mr Turner and I hope you will speak to them concerning me, and I shall feel myself forever indebted to them if please God, they should get my sentence mitigated.  And now my dear husband I am going to give you some little information of the country.  THE natives of NEW SOUTH WALES are black and they are very uncivilised people.  They won't learn to do anything at all and they are very savage, except just round SIDNEY.  Up the country they will take every opportunity of killing and eating all the white men they can get hold of. 


WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT MARY HINDLE  Compiled by the late William Turner (February 2000)

Mary was the daughter of James and Ann Holden of Todd Hall, Haslingden.  James was a handloom weaver.  Mary was baptised at St. James's Parish Church, Haslingden on 14th April 1799.

Mary's parents were married at St. James's (both of this Chapelry) on 26th May 1798.  Both signed the marriage entry with their "mark" (a cross) to indicate they were illiterate.  They then lived at Todd Hall which at the time was divided into 'tenements' i.e. separate dwellings, each used by a hand loom weaver. 

The name 'Holden' was that of a family prominent in Haslingden since at least 1272, when Robert de Holden was named as the father of Adam de Holden to whom Henry de Lacey granted the estates in Haslingden which formerly belonged to a William de Keelin, hanged at Lancaster Castle in 1272.

The seat of the Holden family was Holden Hall, Grane (near the present Holden Hall Cemetery).  There were branches of the family at Duckworth Hall, Oswaldtwistle, and Pickup Bank, near Belthorn.  A brance also lived at Todd Hall from before 1517 when the birth of Adam, son of Gilbert Holden was recorded.

After Robert Holden of Holden Hall, a bachelor, died in 1792, both Holden Hall and Todd Hall fell into decline as the lands were sold.  Holden Hall became a farmhouse and Todd Hall was divided into tenements.

It is not know how Mary's father was related to the Holdens but as "James" was a common forename in the Pickup Bank branch it may be possible he was related to them.

Mary Holden married George hindle at St. James's on 26th July 1818. Both signed the register with a cross.  George was the son of Abraham Hindle who was born in Bury.  He married Betty Heap from Haslingden, at St. James's on 15th January 1797.

Abraham Hindle was literate and a businessman.  At the time of his son's marriage, he was described in a local trades directory as a "carrier", transporting woven pieces and other goods to Bury and Manchester.  In 1824 he was also the landlord of "The Hare and Hounds" public house and a Churchwarden at St. James. He was also an investor in property.  (In June 1825 a James and Phoebe Barnes, on the baptism of a child, gave their address as "Abraham Hindle's Houses" (later Hindle Street).

Mary and George Hindle's first child, a daughter Elizabeth, was baptised at St. James's on 21 March 1819.  The father's occupation was given as a weaver and their abode as Club Houses (later Pleasant Street).

Soon after this, on 23rd December 1821, Mary's mother was buried at St. James.  She was forty-eight.  Two burials of children are then recorded in the register at St. James.  First, Abraham, on 10th January 1822, aged one year.  Second, Robert on 17 December 1823 aged one year.  On both occasions the address of Mary and George is given as Sheep Green, Haslingden.  Shortly after this Mary's father was buried on 18th September 1824. He was forty-five.

On Tuesday 25th April 1826 the handloom weavers who were rioting against the introduction of the power looms attacked William Turner's Middle Mill in Helmshore.  Mary Hindle was in the crowd watching the rioters.  She was arrested a few days later after an employee of William Turner accused her of being inside the mill and "shouting encouragement to the rioters".

Mary Hindle, with other alleged rioters, was taken to Lancaster Castle to await trial.  This began on Tuesday 8th August 1826.  When the trial ended several days later, thirty-five men and six women, including Mary Hindle, were sentenced to death.

On 8th September the death sentences were, in the case of eight men and two women - Mary Hindle and Ann Entwistle - commuted to transportation to New South Wales for life.  The remaining men and women received prison sentences - none longer than two years.

Many people in Haslingden were disturbed at the harsh sentence meted out to Mary.  On 10 October 1826 John Holgate, a Helmshore factory owner, sent a petition signed by thirty-four "very respectable inhabitants" (including William Turner himself) to Robert Peel, the Home Secretary.  Other petitions by the Revd. William Gray J.P., the vicar of St. James; by George, her husband, who said she had simply gone to the scene of the riot to look for her daughter; and by her late father'semployer, John Rostron of Holcombe (who offered her a job for life). All were rejected. 

On 25th April 1827, exactly a year after the riot at Middle Mill, Mary Hindle left Lancaster Castle for Woolwich and the convict ship "Harmony".  She arrived in Sydney, New South Wales on 27th September 1827. She was in the ship's hospital suffering from pleurisy for most of the voyage.

Mary was assigned, as a convict to be a laundress for the family of John Nicholson, who was Mater attendant at the Dockyard at Darling Harbour (now part of Sydney Harbour).

On 30 September 1830 Mary wrote to the Govern of New South Wales asking if a pardon for her had arrived from England.  The answer was "Nothing is known about this matter".

A year later, on 19 November 1831 Mary received her "Ticket of Leave".  This was only given for good conduct and exempted her from working for a particular employer, provided she remained in the district of Sydney.  This was renewed on 12 February 1835.

The next reference to Mary Hindle is in the "Government Gazette" of April 1838.  Unfortunately she is on the list of runaways apprehended in the third week of that month.  She absconded as she was being escorted to Parramatta Female Factory (a prison, hospital etc) and recaptured several days later.  (It is possible she was found out of her district, which was strictly forbidden). 

Sometime later, on 28 May 1838, whilst in Parramatta Female Factory, Mary wrote to the Governor asking for a free pardon.  Three anotations on her letter show how the injustices she suffered were to continue.  "Is this woman one of the machine breakers?" "No pardon has been received for this woman," (dated 22nd June); "Let her be told so through Mrs. Leach," (dated 25 June).  (Mrs. Leach was the Matron of the Female Factory).

In 1840 it is possible that Mary Hindle was a laundress for Thomas Ryan, the Chief Clerk to the Principal Superintendent of Convicts.  Thomas Ryan, an ex-convict himself, lived at 139 Princess Street, Sydney.  Sadly, in the Government Gazette for June 1840, Mary is again listed as a runaway from Thomas Ryan since 6 June.  She was apprehended within days.

However, on 21 August 1841 Mary took her own life whilst in Parramatta Female Factory. She was buried the following day in the graveyard of St. John's Church, Parramatta.  There is no headstone.  So ended fifteen years of imprisonment and transportation with all the horrors that went with both.

In the petition of the thirty-four signatures in 1826, Mary Hindle is described - "---hath uniformly borne a good character for peaceable demeanour, honesty and industry ---- she was not activated by any malignity of dispostion ----- and further, your petitioners are truly affected by the severity of her sentence ----".

John Rostron's (her father's employer) petition spoke " ---- very few have come so clean and descent and none have done their work better ----". He then asked that Mary be restored to her family.

Mary Holden, as she was, bore a name, which is arguably the oldest in Haslingden.  Nothing - the good name of her family or the petitions on her behalf - made any difference to those in the legal and political system who were determined to make a example of a descent woman in order to put fear in the hearts of others.  The accusations that she destroyed looms were never proved.  Elementary justice would have see her acquitted.

Like so many in East Lancashore, Mary hindle endured starvation and deprivation.  The death of her mother, father and two children within three years indicates the effect on her family alone.  To bring the full retribution of the law onto Mary Hindle in such circumstances was monstrously cruel and unjust.  This continued even in New South Wales.

The manner of Mary's death is especially saddening after being treated with such gross injustice, prejudice and bigotry.  The "The Mary Hindle Centre" will keep her name alive in the minds of those who deeply oppose such things.
William Turner - February 2000.

POSTSCRIPT  Written by Lorraine Hooper.


My husband's twin brother lives near Brisbane and we decided to visit a few years ago, neither of us are seasoned travelers, so I said that as this was going to be my only trip to Australia, I wanted to go to Parramatta graveyard, where Mary is buried. Before we went, I'd been on one of my trips to Lancashire and visited Haslingden, St. Jame's, where Mary's husband was buried and gathered some grasses (just a bit) to take to Parramatta.
In Australia, my sister in law read the story and said " when you get to the graveyard, you'll fall over, because Mary's choosen you to bring her letter to light". (Oh yes!)
We went to Sidney, a lady in the hotel (intrigued by the story) took us to Parramatta graveyard, there was a nice little archway/ gateway into it and as I went through I tripped and fell over !!!
Anyway I went down through the graves, Mary's is unmarked, but I scattered the grass and then found a small piece of brick that I brought home, half is on my window sill and the other half is in St Jame's graveyard.
Lorraine
PS Mary had been in Australia about 14 years when she committed suicide and that had me puzzled, why after all that time ?  So I thought I'd search the death records, I found that her husband George had died the year before, well it would have taken nearly a year for any letter to get to Mary !

Sorry I've rambled on and on, but seeing Mary Hindle in my inbox this morning really stirred up my memories.
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MARY HINDLE STORY - "The Ballad of a Female Convict down under" by Catherine Doucet (Canada)

Please enjoy the beautiful song written and sung by Catherine Doucet who was so inspired after reading the "Mary Hindle Story" that she produced the following work which is found here on this You Tube link. PLEASE CLICK HERE




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This photo is from 1906 and shows Middle Mill (Wavell) which was owned by William Turner and sadly the same mill Mary Hindle was accused of being tied up with the Riots.
Photo: thanks to John Simpson.